Who said he was tricked? Who said the Daedra even really cursed him?

It is said he was, in game once again. Pretty sure it was Haskill. It can be debated as to if he allowed himself to take on the cowl of Sheogorath. I really don't care.

or it could all just get cut out of the next game, like so much has from the past games. *shrugs*

As much as I liked SI (or rather, SI's portrayal of Sheogorath and his realm), I can't help but feel that we were cheated out of a huge chunk of the storyline: Jyg's history.

The MQ is pretty much centered around Jyg's invasion and eventual return, and yet we learn almost nothing about him. A few bits and pieces from Dyus, yes, and the whole speil Jyg himself gave us....but what do we know about him really?

We know these two things for sure:

1. Jyg and Sheogorath are one and the same, or at least have been since the creation of Nirn.

2. At the end of every era Jyg gains control of Sheo and his realm, lays waste to it, and then reverts back to Sheo once Jyg is finished.

Those are really the only facts we got from the SI Main Quest. Yes, Jyg claims he was cursed by the other Daedra, and he claims that this was because he was "more powerful" than they were....but that's the only side of the story we get, and who's to say it's completely true? I'm sure you could come up with many reasons Jyg would lie about it, or at least omit certain details from the whole story to make himself seem like the "good guy" in the whole ordeal.

My point is, for SI focusing so much on Jyg's return we find out surprisingly little about Jyg himself, and I think that's a huge disappointment....in both storytelling and in player satisfaction.

No one said he was tricked, just cursed. Jyg himself claimed it was the Daedra. He doesn't elaborate. This could mean any number of things.

Perhaps not. He was very specific:

I'll destroy something if that happens...might be big, might be small...but I'll do it because that's how angry I'll be.... :brokencomputer: :flamethrower:

So, obviously, at least in the first few answers the opinion seems to be that there will be 17 daedra? Or then perhaps Jyg is now the 16th and CoC being Sheo is just non-daedra prince or perhaps half-daedra prince ruling non-daedric realm (which seized to be daedric realm, or at least serious daedric realm in the same moment Jyg was freed from the curse).

Sheo could be a state of being of complete madness. And what the CoC is doing right now is holding onto that state, till another one appears, or the state overtakes the CoC, making Sheo a more permanent daedric prince. If I remember from Sheo's books, he, along with Malacath, are both considered to be the outcast princes, and that the other daedric princes do not consider them daedric princes, most likely due to their origins.

Sheogorath is Sheogorath, questioning whether or not the person on the throne of madness is a Daedra or not is pointless and irrelevant. The person who currently sits on the throne of madness was born out of the font of madness, wields the staff of Sheogorath, commands the armies of Sheogorath, and controls the Shivering Isles. If that doesn't make him Sheogorath the Prince of Madness, then the last person to sit on the throne wasn't Sheogorath either. Origins don't matter, only the symbolisms and rituals of the now matter.

Malacath because he was Trinimac, right?

Why would Jyg and Sheo simply co-exist?

Wont fighting each other simply be easier now?

Why?

They fought each other because they were trying to dominate a single body. It's like that episode of Satoshi Kon's Paranoia Agent with that homely chick and her [censored] alter-ego. They were fighting over closet space. or more importantly who's going to be the dominant personality.

Besides, I'm not sure if there's a point to discussing it outside psychology. The story wasn't really related to its more universal/mythical aspects since you can tell the devs didn't seem to put a lot of foresight in the implications of a daedra lord of order.

It came to my mind that Jyggalag was freed from the curse of Sheo and thus CoC became Sheo, So there is popular theory that teh CoC will eventually morph to Sheo, that is, become the silly old goat of a man that we know so well. This theory could work for the devs well obviously, because then they could wipe out the player's char in TES IV should TES V ever be made.

Now, I know that CoC is also guildmaster in all the noteworthy guilds in Tamriel. But that can be changed too. I mean perhaps Raminus comes the next
Arch-Mage ? And Modryn will perhaps become your successor in the FG? Dark Brotherhood's next boss after you is perhaps that elf lady who organizes the "quests" after you become the DB's boss? Arena guild, well there will always be new champion. Thieves guild is perhaps somewhat problem but it can probably be solved too, I mean perhaps Armand or Methedrel or that argonian male will be next gray fox (my bet is on Armand)?
And player's status as CoC, well that'll be forgotten by time and perhaps the statue in Bruma will be pillaged by some Nord war party attacking Bruma

So you see the player's char can be totally wiped out of next game as happened to Nerevarine. All problems pratically solved from devs's point of view (and for the great lament of lorists)

Edit: I forgot Knights of the 9, but they'll probably continue on their own, selecting new leader amongst them...

You know what, I've decided you guys are right. The devs svck! Those guys couldn't design their way out of a paper bag! Never mind that we've bought everything they've ever made. Their complete lack of originality, total lack of creativity, and total disregard for continuity... why don't they just sell out to EA and get it over with?! :banghead:

Yeah, I'm just a leeetle frustrated with the number of threads this theme has been spanning, of late.

Well yeah I can totally see your point and even respect it, but when has money-making and original creative ideas ever matched in game-making and in other business areas? Sure, maybe somebody invents a good idea and it works for a while, but when the idea turns to pure money-making...
Anyway, life svcks (at least sometimes) - I don't like it, you don't like it and Joe Citizen doesn't like it -but what can you do about it? :shrug:

Another idea is that the CoC's statue becomes Sheo. Or.. we can use what TWM did a while back with the CoC, and a khajiit.... changing it a bit

Yes

Well, I heard that the COC becomes Sheogorath, and wil start to look and act like him.



SI was a response to all the complaints that vanilla Oblivion didn't have enough giant mushrooms.

CoC cant become Sheogorath really, as Sheogorath is a Aedra/Daedra and the CoC is still a "mortal".

Which is why the whole "he's Arden-Sul incarnate" idea makes the most sense to me.

So what will happen then?

Nothing. Life will probably continue as usual, at least in that respect.

Good one

Hmm yes, Arden-Sul incarnate ruling the realm of Sheo. Quite problematic, because that would leave Sheo's realm without Sheo. Unless of course, according to popular theory, the player is just lulled into believeing (s)he is Sheo all the while real Sheo is ruling the realm. No, this scenario would just rise too many questions and problems. If not anything else, it would make the whole SI story totally pointless (okay, madness, but still). So better just think the player is Sheo and will eventually morph into him or something like that, makes the whole incindent that much less problematic

This is in reference to the physical appearance discussion, and I swear it's relevant:

What happens when the player puts on the Gray Cowl?