I know you didn't compare it to CHIM; paws did.

But I'm saying they can't separate because they are THE SAME PERSON. This scenario is extremely similar to Malacath situation because the two entities can't really revert back to their former selves without some curse being involved. That said, they can't just separate; they are the same person.

Try to stop looking at the label of Prince of Madness as defining SHEOG. That title is nothing more than words created by mortals; as V'vehk said: "all words are based on meat." SHEOG is just the personificaton, if you will, of Randomness and the Sithis-shaped hole (that is the Serpent constellation) that was created when Lorkhan was "killed" and when true Existence began. Because the Exactness (that is Jyggalag) was gone from the Mundus because of the unpredictability of Existence, JYG "flipped" into SHEOG.

If the CoC is indeed SHEOG, then two "Daedra," that is, entities that did not give pieces of themselves to Existence, that personify opposing ideas, Randomness and Exactness, are inside of Existence at the same time... which doesn't make sense.

Akatosh and Lorkhan HAVE to be the same person because they need each other to survive AND no one has seen them together in one place...ever. I brought that up because it seems apparent to me that you claim that entities such as these two can separate and exist separately, which doesn't make much sense because they are the same person.

Wait, what? When? I wasn't comparing anything, I was just making a reference to the things people say on the forums. Not even lore.

So phail.

It still doesn't have anything to do with this to a large degree.

Chim? Aye.

Could it be that Sheogorath is not a real daedra, but a state of being that seems like a daedra? He is concidered not a daedra to the other princes, same goes with Malacath which is why they are the two outcast daedra. And since the original state has moved on from its origional host, the CoC now holds it, and could be turned into Sheo given enough time.

Isn't that basically the Shivering Isles plotline?

As for "not a real daedra", someone would have to provide a definition for daedra, while also explaining why someone who is doing the same thing isn't one. I'd say that since they both own real estate in hell, Trinimac and Sheogorath are Daedra Princes, http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=563653&st=80&p=8175772&hl=real%20estate&#entry8175772. Irrespective of whether or not they're considered part of the club. It's a mortal term, after all.

Mnemoli? Magnus?

My understanding is that Aedra and Daedra are vague associations more to do with metaphysical geography than anything else. Aedra are those guys on that side of the dichotomy and daedra are the other guys on the other side of the dichotomy. Because, assuredly, aedra and daedra don't encompass all of the et'ada in existence.

But thats the thing, the sheog part of him is gone. YOU are the sheog part of him.

In name only. Not in body, which is what I'm saying. SHEOG himself basically says this. You're nothing but a mere placeholder. A POWERFUL placeholder, for obvious reasons, but nothing more.

Reopened with a number of posts in the bit bucket. Anyone dragging up deleted flames will be the moderators' lawful prey.

I found some bits of dialogue and journal entreis from DI which seem to indicate that the PC indeed can become something more then he was before he entered the SI. He may not be a Daedra Prince, but he is definately something in between a mortal and a daedra.

From "Symbols of Office":



From "Roots of Madness":



From "Story of SI" :

'Twas not supposed to, but even i could do a better job portraying madness; I'm simply unsatisfied with SI

As for Sheo, the only thing out there is saying that the other Daedric princes banished Jyg into Sheogorath; the embodiment of Jyg's opposite. What we(I) don't know, is whether or not Sheogorath was if Sheogorath was made before or after the banishment. in other words, did the other Daedra banish Jyg to Sheo? or did they just turn Jyg into Sheogorath, a brand new Daedra (or just one Deadra as a different sphere)

Considering I'm a new player at Lore, I can't tell if I'm the only person who doesn't know all this, or if it's a mystery to everyone.

All I can say is that the Champion of Cyridiil is not Sheo, I resent that in every way

Sounds like goa'uld theory

So if I understand correctly, you and TWM say that the others see the player's char as Sheo, that he was Sheo, is Sheo ans will be Sheo or something other kind of Back to the Future kinda stuff thata toys with time-space continuum. If that is the case then everything is ok so cheese for every one. If not and this is far more complicated theory then cheese for everyone in that case too...if the case is big enough and if not better make it chest or perhaps a trunk? Yeah, trunks don't probably exist in the realm of TES, but perhaps make one out of thin air, or out cheese or melon or anything else that comes to mind or doesn't come to mind.
I mean it is very simple, if you don't think about it.

Okay, but seriously speaking I probably vote for the Arden-Sul theory, because it is more understandable and "logical"...which is why it probably is a false theory. But who cares anyway? fishy sticks without fish for everyone (lame I know)

If the only thing I don't like about this fate is that it forces the CoC to become Sheogorath. No walking into the sunset to some mysterious fate or anything, the PC must become a mad god.

For people who don't like cheese, or intestines, this is a problem.

EDIT: Let's hope the new Sheogorath will have a more refined sense of insanity, and not continue as some raving idiot. Bring back the 19th century banker!

Aw, I liked the raving idiot, though.... :meh: Reminded me so much of myself.

Was he TRULY different in past games?