What part of did not participate AND live in Oblivion vs did not participate in creation and live in the Aetherius do you not understand?

Case in point, Meridia used to be a Magna-Ge, but was thrown out by her daddy, Magnus, into Oblivion and is now a daedra. Also, the Magna-Ge are extreme isolationists; they do not like others coming in, so I do not expect any daedra or magna-ge walking in and out of the Aetherius and Oblivion. Also, if they did participate, they wouldn't be in the Aetherius, as the process of participating in creation leaves you heavily weakened, probably too much to make the holes. As far as I am concerned, Magnus was only an architect, and didn't do any self-mutilation that was required to make Mundus, like what the aedra did.

As for MD, I place it under Magnus's desire to end Mundus made manifest. A part of him that broke off and became a new being or something.

So they can be both. Just not at the same time.

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The differentiation between Aedra, Daedra, and Magna-Ge means very little, then, since they are essentially the same type of being. The important difference being their participation in the creation of Nirn (well, at least to the mortals who live there) rather than their current residence, since we know this can change (although not easily).


Well, that is a bit different than Mehrunes Dagon actually being Magnus. After all, Athena isn't Zeus, and Sheogorath isn't Lorkhan; although both Athena and Sheo apparently sprang from a part of their forbear/creator.

Still, it is an interesting idea. I could imagine Magnus expelling his thoughts and memories of Nirn, with those eventually coalescing as Mehrunes Dagon. More sinisterly, perhaps he left that part of him behind as he ripped through Oblivion to Aetherius with the intent that it eventually enact revenge against Nirn.

Indeed.

The real mind-frack is that there are 'Ada who are not Aedra, Daedra or Magna-Ge. Such as Umaril's father or Morihaus.

On a side note: can the Aedra manifest on Tamriel? I thought they couldn't but in morrowind Mara appeared to the PC if he was doing an Imperial temple http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Ama_Nin

Some speculate that the Leaper Demon King/Dagon/Magnus is Umaril's father, the spindly evidence being Umaril's pact with Meridia, and knowing that Magnus is the "father" of Meridia (making Umaril her brother, which would go to support their association).

Morihaus is associated with Kyne. Other than that I know nothing.

Et'Ada is no longer used, as no one is just a amalgamation of spirits before the creation of Mundus. Mundus is pretty much responsible for this whole division.

Before Mundus, all were Et'Ada.

That first part is possible.

Morihaus calls either Kyne or Pelinal "uncle". I don't remember which. Maybe both. If he's the nephew of an Aedric spirit, that doesn't necessarily make him an Aedra himself.

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I'm inclined to agree with the quote that it's more about familiarity, almost like calling a great friend of the family "uncle."

So it's an established fact or at least a widely held belief that Morihaus was the son of Kyne. Interesting. I wonder how Aedra reproduce.

I remember reading somewhere once that the Altmer believe themselves descended from Aedra but less divine with each passing generation. Would that mean that the offspring of gods are weaker than gods with each successive generation being less divine and more mortal than the last? In that case Morihaus would be more on the level of Trinimac or somebody - a demigod instead of a divine.

Or maybe he's just Kynareth in disguise and "son" is a fancy bit of word play.

Given what we know, it seems that way. Hence why Trinimac/Malacath is weaker than the other Daedra Princes.

wait I thought Magnus left for Aetherius, so how is he Dagon?

Come on people don't let this thread die I need an answer.

Ugh, why are you making me search for threads for you? I don't remember enough to make it worthwhile.

Magnus, the Leaper King, and Lorkhan, the Greedy Man, were creating the new world from pieces of the previous ones. The Leaper King is transformed by the new creation, and so we have Dagon, in this Kalpa. The sun legend, where Magnus escapes through a hole he's made, is echoed, when Alduin eats the Leaper King.


Hey guys, there's no sun in Aetherius.

But it's always sunny in Philadelphia. That balances it out.

:rofl:

Now that explanation is a whole lot cooler than 'It is a large flaming ball of gas in the sky'.

Magnus was never a large flaming ball in the sky, that's just the hole he made when going to the Aetherius through Oblivion. It's a really big hole.

I thought Aetherius was Philadelphia. Now I'm confused.

thanks for the info

But the hole leads to him and so we pretty much equate Magick (which all that light is), that big hole in the sky, with Magnus.

Or do you mean, Magnus in the sky with magicka

This may be a completely dumb question, but since Magnus is supposedly Mehrunes Dagon, would it be possible to enter his realm of Oblivion by flying through the Sun somehow? (The Sun being a massive hole in the sky through which light flows, of course. Not a super massive ball of hot plasma like in our universe.)

No, that'll take you to the Aetherius.

That's just plain awful.


Being a God is very schizophrenic. If you are to believe this (I'm still skeptical, but I'm pretty slow-moving on accepting new ideas), then there is a separation between Magnus and Dagon. The two can still meet and have a party and what not. It's just that in the past, they used to be one person, the Leaper Demon King. But when they left creation, they split their aligned selves and the Anuic twin became Magnus and the Padomaic one became Dagon and they went to their respective new homes. That's how I understand it at least.

So no.