hi, i was just wondering, is the Jygylagg encountered in the SI questline the real thing, or just an avatar/aspect of the Daedric Lord. Because in comparison with such other Lords as Mehrunes Dagon and Sheogorath he is very easy to defeat. Whilst attacking Sheogorath leads to your paralysation and death, and attacking mehrunes dagon is just pure stupidity (what with the massive axe and all), but attacking Jygylagg is little more difficult than other tough, but not threateningly tough characters. Is this because Jygylagg is not in his true form, but just a representation of him, or is it due to the curse put on him by the other princes? Especially since you hear of the hugely powerful Jygylagg.

edit: Sorry if there has been another thread on this, but my search button always comes up with nothing...

Can't go into specifics here, spoilers not allowed in the General Discussion forum. I've asked for your topic to be moved.

oh, sorry, fair enough, I didn't thought it counted as a spoiler...

If you have not already, look this up in the lore forum, or even just the uesp. I just recently did the same for some of the Daedra, interesting stuff. Anyway the uesp of either sheogorath or jygylagg should lend some insight

No big deal. To give you a definitive answer would be a Spoiler, and that's why questions get moved - not because they are asked, but to have a forum free of spoilers for members who do not wish to see them.

Cheers, I'll do that, but I already know about the , if thats what you were referring to.

yea i don't know exactly and i doubt anyone does but i would ask in the lore forum you should get some interesting speculation out of those guys.

He is very powerful. Pretty much wiped out all the golden saints in the courtyard at once. The answer is that while Sheogorath became Jygalagg, you became Sheogorath. Daedra are like characters, it doesn't matter who plays them but what they do.

It is amusing that nobody in this thread has spelled Jyggalag correctly.

Jyggy is as easy to defeat for Sheggy!Player as Merry is easy to defeat for Akky!Martin.

Your character is Sheogorath, and unless you botch the battle somehow, it just wouldn't work out very well having the current ruler of SI dying in full view of his subjects. So it wouldn't make a lot of sense inserting an all-powerful Boss NPC that you stand no chance against unless you hit him with a Level 50+ character.

Forget for a second during this match that you're the character you've been up until this point.

It really helps.

Forget that you're a Breton Battlemage or a Khajiit Acrobat or an Imperial Agent or a Dunmer Nightblade or a Bosmer Archer or whatever in the world it is that you are. Forget what level you are on, what your skills are, and what enemies you've had troubles defeating in the past.

At this moment in time, you are Lord Sheogorath, a Daedric Prince. If anyone can defeat a Daedric Prince, it's another Daedric Prince. Especially as it's your own realm and you have the home field advantage. I'd imagine Jygg's powers are greatly diminished in a Realm of Madness for he is Order itself.

Keep in mind he's never actually fought against Sheogorath one on one before. He's always easily defeated all the denizens of the Shivering Isles because even in a presumably weakened state he is a Daedric Prince and there are no others on his level to challenge him.

And since this is his own realm, or at least that of his alter ego up until that point, yes, it is the real guy, not some avatar. Sheogorath transformed into him before your very eyes, so this is easily verified.


Nevermind that you could step right back into the world and be killed by a Grummite or a Goblin or something after this epic battle. That's sheer game mechanic. (In my personal opinion the player should actually have become rather more godly once attaining his Godhood, but I understand the limitations of the levelling engine so it's a minor squabble.)

Whole-heartedly agree. And, to expand somewhat on that, the "stronger" the Greymarch it seems(Or how much of Madness it takes over) is how much stronger Jyg's powers are. So, given you've halted the Greymarch, and all those which were, more or less "Focus sites", Jyg's power is weakened. I think it's mentioned somewhere, also, that Daedric Princes are stronger in their own planes of Oblivion than any other place, if I am not mistaken. If I am, it makes a lot of since, even if.

I wish SI had done a better job at conveying the player's transformation/mantelling of Sheogorath.

Sheo: "You'll be me!"
Haskill: "With all his powers!"
Me: "Umm... if you say so...."
Sheo: "You'll have a staff!"
Me: "Which isn't very useful..."
Haskill: "You're Lord Sheo, a Daedric Prince!"
NPCs in Cyrodill: "All hail, the Champion of Cyrodill!"
Me: "..."

In his departing speech Jyg made the suggestion that time would tell if you were really Sheogorath. Completely becoming Sheogorath would mean you'd be unable to enter Mundus, the Daedra are only able when invited or on special occasions.

Yeah, I had just assumed that CoC was just a Sheogorath placeholder. That was an assumption though.

Or in special times, which for Sheo is "whenever it is stormy outside". Or was that they can only be invited at special times?

LordDaedra, where'd you find that wonderful avatar?

On topic; Lord Jyg's power: The Inscrutable Stereotype. Nothing can defeat its infinite normality.

Good point. But, then, how is the CoC Sheogorath enough to beat Jyggy? Is it because the CoC is in SI, with the staff (?), and did enough of the Manteling to become Sheo-ish?

The CoC is the Shezzarine by the time he enters the portal, and Jyggs forfeited the match, he could have continued.

Wait, so Jygg just pretended to be beaten?

No, it's more like he didn't really have anything to gain by destroying the player, and if he had, it may have been that he would have reverted back into Sheogorath as there wouldn't be anyone mantling Sheogorath, and he would instead be bound to become Sheo again.

Then why did he pick a fight with the CoC in the first place? To give me a fake ego-boost that I could kick a Daedra Lord's butt?

That's what the plot was leading up to. He had to go through with the Greymarch until the Sheo beat him, he didn't have a choice.

So the battle between the CoC and Jygg was a sham? Just going through the motions? Would it have been better to let the Greymarch happen, and have Jygg revert back to Sheo, than have Jygg on the loose again?

He is as manipulative of the Player Character as Azura!

Actually, the hero did it for a place to crash.