That stuff about kalpas and how Alduin eats them up, where does Mundus fit into it? Was it supposed to be a loophole created by Lorkhan that bypasses the world eater?

If you mean Mundus was created to allow people to reach [Z], then yes.

The current structure of Mundus is meant to delay the World Eater and disrupt the cycle. But Mundus had been and probably will be eaten again many times.

whats kalpas sombody update me please im cluleless

I guess I svck at jokes. That's not the first time I guess.

ignore post.

that really makes no sense say it in a way i migh understand

A Kalpa is basically an existence. Alduin the Time Eater basically eats them and creates the next one.

I think http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml may help you.

Kalpas are from the idea that time is cyclical. The world is created, it exists for a while, then it's destroyed, then it's created, it exists for a while, and so on ad infinitum. Each Kalpa is one cycle.

They show up a lot in Mayan cosmology, if I recall correctly.

Yes, its essentially a loophole.

Basically cycles of creation/destruction of the universe, each kalpa is the segment of time between each creation and destruction.

What? And, how are you tying in [Z] to kalpas?

The Yokudan myth doesn't have Mundus being excrement, that's Orcs, Mundus is made from the shed skins of the snake by Lorkhan/Sep.

then were exacly does this alduin hail from

ty for the help

Alduin is the Nord name for Akatosh. As the time god, the Nords see him as the being who eats the world at the end of each kalpa.

Alduin is moreso Satakal the Worldskin more than Akatosh.

Because Akatosh is the Elven conception of him. Alduin/Satakal is the Mannish perspective. They're two interpretations of the same being.

What are you on about? Akatosh is cyrodiilic, Alduin is Elven, Satakal is Yokudan. Alduin's much more Akatosh. Satakal is like the Godhead

You should read up on your http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/varietiesoffaith.shtml. Akatosh is Cyrodiilic/Mannish, Alduin is Nordic, Satakal & Ruptga are Yokudan, and Auriel is Elven.

Ah I knew Alduin was Nordic. I mistyped.

Too many short A words with E's and U's.

Akatosh is really just an offshoot of Alduin. The Cyrodils worshiped the elven pantheon. Alessia just repackaged him for the Nords.

just thought http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalpa_(time_unit) might be helpful with regards to the origin of the word

thats strange that some space worm eats planets how long is eacha kalpa anyway

As long as it needs to be. Seriously, when you're talking about the destruction and recreation of existence with time being a part of that existence, it becomes very hard to measure time between two Kalpas. The rules, after all, will change and time will flow differently and at a different pace. Or if you want it from a mythic perspective, a Kalpa is the time between when ol' Alduin has eaten last and becomes hungry again.

But that then leaves the questions of what do the JYLS do in that time? Are they dormant, or are they essentially the ones who rebuild? Also, wouldn't that make a Dragon Break much like a visceral gap between Kalpas? Because if every possible possibility happens in that time, couldn't a Kalpa pass, or a C0DA, or a Landfall, or even a inverse of the I Itself; with some admiration to the pre-existing structure of Scripture, seeing as I'd be pretty hard to Reprimand a cosmological identity with no fingerprints to go off of; happen, and then re-happen a billion more times before the ants below snap back into an indigenous existence?

And what if someone (a Godhead) pulls a Yagrum, and exits AE in that time? Do we know if anything like The Provisional House is affected? Because from what I remember (or wrote, whichever, I'm a little skank like that), looking down onto Nirn is like using Google Maps in there, so there'd have to be some sort of dimensional connection between them. You'd think a little bit of Alduin's digestive slime would seep in there...it? Eh, whatever, the space that isn't a space yet still contains a parliament of lines.

I think that the gap between Kalpa's are Dragon Breaks, but not all Dragon Breaks are gaps between Kalpa's. Unfortunately, it gets really confusing to talk about nonlinear time from Time's perspective.

I think that for the purposes of the mostly throw-away line I wrote above, I'm going to cop out and say that until we get a more fleshed out conception of Man's perspective on metaphysics, I'm not going to try to unite the Elvish and Mannish perspectives, which suddenly just gave me a much better understanding of why the Cyrodiilic Religion wasn't as fleshed out as it should've been in Oblivion... but that's beside the point. Besides, arguing with you tends to feel like I'm walking on ten different trails at the same, all bending back on each other at odd angles and intervals.

:( What did I ever do?

And, Mannish Metaphysics are there. Think Mantling, Hoon-Ding, Panktros Sword, Moth Priests, Thu'um, and of course the most ideological choice, the 'Walking Like Them Until They Must Walk Like You' approach that is (mostly) Elvin, but has been adapted into Nordic and Yokudan terms.

It's Pankratosword, not Pankratos Sword

/nitpick

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