Kalpic Persistence

Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:38 am

I am wondering how much of what we know of the Aurbic cosmos remains the same, or at least negligibly changed, from one Kalpa to the next.

For example: does each Kalpa begin with a new Convention? Or did Convention occur at the beginning of the...first (for lack of a better word) Kalpa? Magnus has always struck me as something of an absolute, I find it hard to imagine his being bound by this cycle, but I have been wrong in the past.

Alduin, I would think, must remain relatively constant in order to devour the world at the end of each iteration. But I have heard that my Lord and Master Peryite might be scheduled to take his place next time around. Do the roles, then, but not the names or identities remain? Each Sphere being stationary, but repeatedly filled by another being? Each God and Prince being shuffled from one position to another?

What about Mehrunes Dagon? The Fights lead me to believe that he has persisted for at least one Kalpa before this one, and has been charged for his sins with the destruction of the excess firmament that he stole while the Leaper Demon. Is he an anomaly? Or one of...more than one beings who retain their function between each round of Awful Fighting?

Speaking of the Awful Fighting, it seems to necessitate that each Kalpa revolve - at least to some degree - around the antipathy between Man and Mer. Lorkhan and Auriel might be replaced by other gods, I suppose, but does their primary duality then remain? The Houses of Ald and Shor, as I presume?

What is the Awful Fighting, anyway? A timeless, spaceless war between the disembodied, mindless essences of humans and elves? How does it end? Or perhaps I should ask how the space and time is found with which to rebuild the world?

And is the Mundus the same? Tamriel, Yokuda, Atmora, Aldmeris, Akavir? I would guess not, but who's to say?

Let us go higher. What about Padomay and Anu? These are the primal forces from which everything that mortals and gods perceive emerges. I must imagine that they remain utterly unchanged from one Kalpa to the next. Possibly along with their souls, Sithis and Anuiel?

Illuminate me! Bring your brands of knowledge and lanterns of wisdom to light up my way, for now I am groping in the darkness of ignorance and idle speculation!
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:05 am

The Kalpas can be interpereted however you want.

Personally, I like to think that they are other RPG game's universes, which would explain why every Final Fantasy game shares a few enemies. Peekutchoo, for example, could be evidence that the pre-Tamriwel Kalpa Mundus was the Pokémon World, with Alduin and Mehrhunes Dagn being legendaries of some sorts, and the awful fighting being them forced by Trainers to battle, who were no doubt player characters that caughr them in Poké Balls.

Needless to say, player characters still thwart them, even now.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:27 am

The Kalpas can be interpereted however you want.

Personally, I like to think that they are other RPG game's universes, which would explain why every Final Fantasy game shares a few enemies. Peekutchoo, for example, could be evidence that the pre-Tamriwel Kalpa Mundus was the Pokémon World, with Alduin and Mehrhunes Dagn being legendaries of some sorts, and the awful fighting being them forced by Trainers to battle, who were no doubt player characters that caughr them in Poké Balls.

Needless to say, player characters still thwart them, even now.

Blasphemy!
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:27 am

Blasphemy!

Yes, but it is GLORIOUSLY AWESOME BLASPHEMY.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:48 pm

But what about Nordic mythology?
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:12 pm

could be evidence that the pre-Tamriwel Kalpa Mundus was the Pokémon World, with Alduin and Mehrhunes Dagn being legendaries of some sorts
O MY GOD!!

Mehrunes and Alduin=reshuram and zekrom
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:05 am


O MY GOD!!

Mehrunes and Alduin=reshuram and zekrom
Try Alduin and Shor= Dialga and Palkia.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:15 am

Pshaw. Everyone knows that Pokemon stopped with Gold/Silver. What are these strange names you speak of?
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:18 am

Alduin can't be Charizard, no matter how badass that sounds, so we gotta use the new games.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 1:17 pm

How about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qe9O90cD80?

On a slightly less awesome note, I've been reviewing the old Graegyn-Ker Letters and they seem to answer a few of my questions. They suggest that this Kalpa was initiated when nine gods Convened at Adamantia. These nine, according to Graegyn, were apparently the equivalent of Daedra in the last Kalpa. And next Kalpa they will apparently 'transcend', for a lack of a better understood word. Our Daedra, then, will become the next 'Aedra,' under my Lord and Master Peryite as the avatar of House Ald and, possibly, Boethiah as the avatar of House Shor.

This explains a lot.

And changes everything.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:30 am

From what I have gleaned I have pieced together a sort of encompassing view but have never tried to put it into words before, so forgive me if I am a little vague or incomprehensible.

In the beginning there were two self-contained and perfect, but opposite spheres. Anu and Padomay.
When these collided, I see this as two bubbles touching, in the intersection they shared, the Aurbis happened.

In this first order of existence however there was not peace. There was searching and longing, because none of what became was as great and magnificent as what was before.
This is the pattern repeated throughout TES, the fundamental principle.

Lorkhan tricked/ convinced Magnus to draw the plans for a reversal of this entropy.
A device that would allow attainment to a greatness lost, or perhaps a new one alltogether.
Some did not participate, some withdrew as the cost became too great. Those that stayed are the Aedra.

On the Mundus the overarching pattern was repeated. The Aedra had to sacrifice themselves to maintain creation and became Earthbones, Ehlnofey, became smaller and more numerous, but lost their divinity.
Talos once more is the Lorkhan, he gathers together and reaches upward in order to create a greater out of many smaller.
He reinforces the Mundus, and that is why the Thalmor Altmeri hate him so.

Enter kalpa's.
A kalpa is a cycle of time. It is said that each kalpa is the same as the one before (Apart from small things, but small things add up), it is also said that all previous kalpa's are nested in the Dawn Era.
This means two things.
Time, mortal time, is cyclical and kalpa's are an Aurbical thing, not a solely Mundrical thing.
Presumably when the reset of a new kalpa occurs, this is sometime after the connection Anu and Padomay made to beget their children, but sometime before the creation of the Mundus.
However, it seems that the Mundus is such a good idea that it happens every time.
The last time, it is said, the sload ruled Tamriel.

Time is revolving, and it is nested, it is like a nautilus shell shape, where each succeeding bit is bigger and adds to the overall shape, yet is the same basic shape as the tiny one right at the centre.

Since all previous kalpa's are nested in the dawn era, it is not that everything that came before is wiped from existence when the Wheel starts another revolution, it is more like the blackboard is wiped clean to start anew, but the notes of previous tries are kept.

Who is Aedra and who is Daedra per kalpa may shift, the Middle Dawn indicates it could even during, and it may be a source of contestment.
It is like a cosmic game of musical chairs.

When they finally succeed in the endeavour, Amaranth?
And who sits on the chairs then gets the prize.
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