Keeping "The Faith"

Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 9:22 pm

Marcella does state she does that in her comptuer terminal entires.

http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Disaster_relief_outpost_terminal_entries#Marcella.27s_Terminal

"Tribal culture occupies major sanctuary to the Faith in region - Cathedral of the Ark & Dove. Would love to mine location for artifacts or any intact texts, but residents openly ostracize outsiders. Have offered to induct me into their tribe. Tempting to undertake their oaths as a ruse to gain access, but moral reservations too great."

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Brittany Abner
 
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:30 am


these titles eventually represent your position of influence in such and such a region but if you reside in another place it makes the whole idea unpersonal since one should be in the location one claims to have importance in. such inconsistency in title may lead to somebody claiming to be the president of the moon and actually be recognized as such because there should be a president of the moon somewhere right?
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:17 am

For all we know there very well could still be a Pope in Rome. We have no idea.

As for how communication is possible. Tenpenny made the journey to America. Its possible that trans-atlantic travel is occasionally possible. Perhaps a ship carrying an apostolic nuncio occasionally makes the trip to America to inform the East-Coast based church of Vatican affairs.

Not necessarily. In several instances throughout history the Pope has not been located in Rome. The most important aspect of the Pope is apostolic succession from St. Peter, not his location.

Besides, the tenets of the Catholic faith and following the catechism would be the premient aspects of them being considered "catholic." Which as far as we know, there's nothing about Marcella, Father Clifford, Diego, or any of the Rivet City residents that breaks with catholic tradition. Both Father Clifford and Diego are celibate for instance. Marcella recites an act of contrition. They speak of "breaking bread" (likely communion) and Father Clifford speaks of St. Monica, who is probably a canonized post-war saint.

To my knowledge they do nothing that IRL Catholics don't do.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:05 am

As I understand it, Europe, as an entity, pretty much ceased to exist, as they got pounded pretty hard during the war.....

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:45 am

http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Allistair_Tenpenny

"Allistair Tenpenny came to the Capital Wasteland from Great Britain to seek his fortune, so that alone tells you that the U.K. was also hit in the war. And if he came to U.S. to succeed, that says a lot about how screwed up Europe must be. So we just allude, a little bit, to the state of the rest of the world. We like to leave a lot to the players' imaginations, and somebody like Tenpenny serves as a catalyst for those thoughts.

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:53 pm

Just to put my two cents in, it's odd, to me anyway, that Marcella didn't refer to her group as The Catholic Church. Perhaps they are a new denomination with Catholic practices?
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:54 pm

The New Canaanites like Joshua and David never really refer to themselves as "Mormon" either or to the Mormon Church, but that's what they are.

Bethesda is just trying to avoid political incorrectness. There's no real reason to assume Marcella and Father Clifford (and a good portion of the Rivet City residents) are anything other than straight Catholic.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:54 am


the rivet city community is recognized to be catholic by the fallout wiki so since catholicism has survived on the east coast it may as well have greater influence such as the abbey on the road
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:21 pm

Also there's this from the game guide:

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:19 am

Cool, thanks for the clarification! So there is definitely at least one person out there calling themselves "Il Papa". Either that or they are operating under the "faith" that there is a Pope somewhere in the world.
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:36 am

New York City in general would be a great Fallout 4 DLC.

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Danny Warner
 
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:34 am

NYC should be nothing more then a giant crater.

Its so overused in games, books, movies, and everything in general. I suspect that is why Bethesda didn't mention it at all in Fallout 3, despite mentioning places like The Commonwealth, which is farther off.

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:52 pm

Boy I sure hope the return, if not right away maybe a dlc.

Confession in the wasteland, must be a daunting and long process.

"Oh ya and then there was this time i sorta stole a nuka cola, I did not mean too I was trying to pick up a note under it, still it sorta angered a settlement, and well its gone now cause i had to defend myself."

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:42 pm

1. Why would it be a giant crater?

2. It is? Then again, I rarely see anything about NYC in media myself as I don't purposely look for them.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:57 am

New York is a primary target. It won't get just one bomb. It will get several. It is the center of our economy, not to mention the UN..... (if it's there in the fallout universe) "Carpet Bombing" comes to mind. With Nukes.

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:54 pm

I don't see it being a crater though. I see it being destroyed quite a bit, like Washing DC in Fallout 3. (Meaning certain primary spots would be craters for sure, like how the White House is in Fallout 3). But not the whole entire city.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:06 am

Plus it would have been a pretty significant symbol of everything the communist Chinese would have hated about the U.S., i.e. a center of capitalism and the home of the "Wall Street Gang" (as the Chinese Remnant broadcast describes it).

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:22 am

The UN disbanded before the Great War.

As for the Faith, I'd hope they turn up again.

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:47 pm

I agree, the Chinese would have bombed the [censored] out of NYC. I really don't think New York City is a big deal in Post Apocalyptic America in the Fallout universe. If it was, Ashur would surely have mentioned it in his speech before opening The Hole fights. He mentioned the Commonwealth, Ronto, and the Capital Wasteland. Come to think of it, no one mentions NYC to my knowledge, except the news guy on the TV during the intro part we saw in the E3 demo for F4, though I could be mistaken. Perhaps it's where Marcella's Abbey is located? A bit like Yoda hiding out in a dark side planet, the Faith hides out in a place no body goes to to keep their mission safe.
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:48 pm

No. NYC would be a great Fallout game. Way to large to make it only a DLC...

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:52 am


Are there abbeys in New York City though? abbey to me sort of gives the mental image of a countryside not a giant town.
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:39 am

True, though I would suggest you could probably put an abbey any where you thought would be a good place (that wasn't horribly irradiated, of course) after the bombs fell. You are probably right though, the Abbey probably isn't in NYC.
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:00 am

Marcella is in PL for a reason. When you speak with her, she tells you she has heard of the Krivbeknih BEFORE she even gets to PL. She travels east to Boston, leaves in a hurry, stops at Rivet City, then continues to PL. There are two of these books. In Lovecraft's book, people who have the book live a very long life, just like we see in PL. Richard Dunwich is the owner of Dunwich Borers in Fallout 3. Most people think that the fictional Dunwich in Lovecraft's books is in reality Greenwich, Mass. Greenwich was put underwater when the Quabbin Reservoir was built. So I would bet money we will get at least a reference of Richard Dunwich or even find the 2nd book.

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:19 pm

I would like a continuation of the "Dark Heart of Blackhall" quest.
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:53 am

I don't see NYC as being anymore of a primary target than DC. If DC survived mostly intact then so too can NYC. Lets keep in mind that canon states nukes have a lower yield in this universe compared to ours which is the only reason there are structures still standing. If it was realistic then everything within a 1 mile radius of a blast would be vaporized and everything within 5 miles would be completely leveled. wouldn't be much fun to explore an entire map full of rubble.

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