Kematu is the real liar not saadia : V - Skyrim

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:40 pm

I sided with Kematu, in spite of the fact that I really really wanted to kill him for that cool outfit he wears. That should tell you how convincing his argument was.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:22 am

I can't believe two others aside from OP actually typed lair...

lol
Well, I guess they could have cut and pasted it, but why bother with so short a word.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:51 am

There is ANOTHER little detail.

If you turn Saadia over to the Alik'r, the Thalmor send a death squad after you. Why would the Thalmor give a crap about you turning Saadia over to the Hammerfell authorities unless kematu were telling the truth? ;p (That she is a Thalmor informant/Hammerfell defector. Her capture could undermine their intelligence operation)

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:03 am

I heard that if you side with Kematu and let him catch Saadia, eventually Saadia kill all of them and escape again :shocking:

Anyone can confirm that?

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:56 am

If they're really assassins who came to murder her why would they just stroll up to the guards and ask about her? Wouldn't they sneak in when it's dark and kill her without making a scene?

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:00 am

I'm rather sure that Saadia is the liar.

She says that she openly spoke out against the Aldemeri Dominion and that Kematu wanted to trade her blood to the Thalmor for money.

However, anyone who knows anything about redguards is that they hate the Dominion with a passion. They continued to fight the Thalmor even after the Empire signed the White-Gold Concordat.

If she spoke out against the Aldmeri Dominion in Hammerfell, she wouldn't have much of a problem.

In fact, she'd probably be safer there than in Skyrim where the Thalmor have free reign.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:39 am

I believe that Kematu is telling the truth. However, on my most recent character I decided not to side with him, because I hated how he and his cronies were harassing Redguard women and trying to kidnap them without knowing that they are her. If they want her, they should go about it a legal way by going through the government. If they can't, tough.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:01 am

I heard that if you side with Kematu and let him catch Saadia, eventually Saadia kill all of them and escape again :shocking:

Anyone can confirm that?

I heard that in the final battle with Alduin, he turns into a hamburger and you eat him to death.

Anyone can confirm that?

OT: Saadia is the real liar not kematu

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:19 am

Admit it, you just want to bone her.

I support that motion!

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:19 am

Kematu is not a very good lair. Not a lot of room to hide out in. I tried. I would not reccommend Kematu if you are looking for a lair, especially if you are trying to fit three or more people in there.

I'm sure there's a lot more storage room in Saadia... if you know what I mean. :hubbahubba:

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:05 pm

I'm sure there's a lot more storage room in Saadia... if you know what I mean. :hubbahubba:

Well, there are three forms of entry, so three different places to store stuff in your lair.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:06 pm

Kematu is not a very good lair. Not a lot of room to hide out in. I tried. I would not reccommend Kematu if you are looking for a lair, especially if you are trying to fit three or more people in there.

Is Saadia better?

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:14 am

Well, there are three forms of entry, so three different places to store stuff in your lair.

But a lair can be used as a house, right?

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:41 pm

I support that motion!

The argonian is right.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:49 am

i sided with saadia because she was good looking, i mean seemed like a good person.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:43 am

I'm rather sure that Saadia is the liar.

She says that she openly spoke out against the Aldemeri Dominion and that Kematu wanted to trade her blood to the Thalmor for money.

However, anyone who knows anything about redguards is that they hate the Dominion with a passion. They continued to fight the Thalmor even after the Empire signed the White-Gold Concordat.

If she spoke out against the Aldmeri Dominion in Hammerfell, she wouldn't have much of a problem.

In fact, she'd probably be safer there than in Skyrim where the Thalmor have free reign.

You're right. That part of her story was what made me side with Kematu as well. There's no reason why speaking out against the dominion would make her an outcast amongst the redguard. They hate the dominion even more than the Stormcloaks.

When Kematu said goodbye with these words "Resistance against the dominion is alive and well, my friend", I know I had done the right thing. Stormcloaks and redguards fight the same war.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:10 pm

You're right. That part of her story was what made me side with Kematu as well. There's no reason why speaking out against the dominion would make her an outcast amongst the redguard. They hate the dominion even more than the Stormcloaks.

When Kematu said goodbye with these words "Resistance against the dominion is alive and well, my friend", I know I had done the right thing. Stormcloaks and redguards fight the same war.

Stormcloaks fight for the Dominion.
If they kill Imperial troops, they help the Thalmor.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:37 pm

My problem with her story is that if she indeed did speak out against the Dominion wouldn't she actually be safer in Hammerfell? Why would she flee to "Dominion Occupied" Skyrim? (The Empire being essentially a puppet state of the Dominion) She did pick a good place to hide. There is a fairly large Redguard population in Whiterun compared to other parts of Skyrim. I mean she would stick out like a sore thumb in Riverdale or Iverstadt.

I don't think the Stormcloaks actually believe they're fighting for the Dominion, even Ulfric. I don't plan to choose side for quite a while in this play through.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:28 pm

Hang on, I'm confused, do you mean 'liar'?

Bad spelling on these forums? I doont beleef it!

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:15 pm

Kematu is likely the one telling the truth. At the very least, Saadia's story and situation has more holes in it than Kematu's.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:09 am

Maybeso, but ... if Saadia was cozy with the Thalmor, why don't the Thalmor protect her? Simply because she's no longer useful? That part kinda nags at me.
Also, I agree with Chrysoscolla, the way they harass random redguard women had me inches away from gifting them with honorable deaths in combat. Also, when I ask why they want her they refuse to answer saying if money is not enough motive, go away.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:51 pm

Maybeso, but ... if Saadia was cozy with the Thalmor, why don't the Thalmor protect her? Simply because she's no longer useful? That part kinda nags at me.
Also, I agree with Chrysoscolla, the way they harass random redguard women had me inches away from gifting them with honorable deaths in combat. Also, when I ask why they want her they refuse to answer saying if money is not enough motive, go away.

Would any Nord allow someone they knew were Thalmor to just walk around wherever they want gathering information? If you know anything about spying, you know that the best way to get information is if no one knows you are working for someone else.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:18 am

Stormcloaks fight for the Dominion.
If they kill Imperial troops, they help the Thalmor.

That's not true at all. Skyrim would be able to defend itself just as much as the Empire. Hell, Hammerfell was able to drive out the Aldmeri Dominion without help from the Empire (more or less because of a stalemate, but still). Skyrim is a rather harsh place for all but the Nords, and also has many other races that call it home and would likely defend it against the Aldmeri Dominion (as much as the Orcs don't like the Nords, I'm sure they'd rather kill High Elves).

That, and your decision won't affect the canonical lore at all.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:33 pm

If someone was looking to kill another they would do so immediately why kidnap her? Especially since its a random event where you may find them asking redguard women on the road who they are.

:devil:

If you are looking for the best solution kill them both then everyone is happy.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:39 am

Maybeso, but ... if Saadia was cozy with the Thalmor, why don't the Thalmor protect her? Simply because she's no longer useful? That part kinda nags at me.
Also, I agree with Chrysoscolla, the way they harass random redguard women had me inches away from gifting them with honorable deaths in combat. Also, when I ask why they want her they refuse to answer saying if money is not enough motive, go away.

Two reasons:
1. The guys walking the roads weren't in charge, likely weren't authorized to give reasons, and certainly aren't going to trust those reasons to random strangers (they also don't seem to be terribly bright).
2. If they let spread around exactly who they were looking for and why, Saadia would have ran again, right out of Skyrim and into some place that would have been even harder for them to search.