well that′s the backside when you make games that need to appeal to a huge crowd of players to make a profit

it′s simply a basic mind female+Humanoid= briasts

Heck, I'm not even going to play as an argonian character. For better identification with my character, I'm probably going to choose one of the human races. But when I see argonians in the cities, I want to know that they are lizards, not humans with funny heads and tails.

They could at least go the Everquest 2 way. I don't like the game itself, but there's a lizard race called iksar there, and it looks absolutely wonderful: http://images.wikia.com/eq2/images/d/dd/Tfl_sesketh_character.jpg They still have an human skeletal structure, so that the developers will not have troubles with making a completely different set of pants for them. But at least the females don't have briasts: that screenshot is of a female iskar.

I have this funny thing about getting so annoyed by these anatomical details. Bird-people are supposed to have arms that are halfway between wings and hands, NOT a pair of normal arms and an extra pair of wings. And reptile-people do not have boobs.

aww,but what do I play with the next time I find a nice Argonian maid at a Inn?

I don't think the majority of gamers really feel the need to see lizard briasts in their games, but I could be mistaken...

But I agree, actually, I think the females should be flat chested, with other indicators telling you if they were male or female, I don't have trouble identifying the six of Argonians in Morrowind, at first, I might have needed to hear their voices to tell, but in time, I learned to identify the differences between male, and female Argonians, in a way, I'd actually say it was a pretty good design. The differences were subtle, but still obvious to those who learned how to spot them. But I'm pretty sure female Argonians having briasts was a constraint of game mechanics, as all races used the same body model, this is also why when using custom body mods, any custom races you were using would look very strange if they didn't have textures designed for the bodies they're using. But hopefully, in Skyrim, this will no longer be an issue. What Todd Howard said in the pod cast suggested that they're trying to make the individual races feel more unique, so maybe Skyrim will change this, I hope so, but only time will tell.



Actually, I generally prefer my bird people to have more humanoid arms that end in hands similar to their feet, but they definately shouldn't have a pair of normal arms and a pair of wings, that implies that they have six limbs, but that's beside the point, since there are no bird-like races in the game.

What I want.



What I think will happen. :sadvaultboy:

I just want the Argonians to have the more snake-like heads of Daggerfall, they looked so...sinister. http://media.photobucket.com/image/Daggerfall%20Argonians/Maccabeus/daggerfall/fall_061.png.

I definitely want more like morrowind. At the very least no more fish faced argonians.

I think the Argonian in the concept art is perfect, so I want the Skyrim models.

skyrim models, Morrowinds looked like dinosaurs and Oblivions didn't really seem all that beast like

I want Argonians to look more like Morrowind's, in the sense that their knees bend backwards and all and they actually look like a beast race in more ways than just their face. With Khajiits, I really don't care. Khajiits have so many different forms that I feel both Morrowind and Oblivion's depiction of them are fine. As long as Khajiits don't turn into some "attractive" race for the furry fandom or something silly like that.

A mix, with more than one model. The more the merrier.

I want properly digitigrade Khajiit, with four toes per paw (And not human toes). Still five digits on the hand (Cats have a thumb in addition to their four digits, halway up their wrist, as well as an offset claw for it. That's the dewclaw.) but a nice touch would be one fewer knuckle on each finger, the third knuckle replaced by claws. Unless they are the Ohmes-raht of Daggerfall.

So far, Morrrowind (and maybe Redguard were the only games in the series to feature Female Argonians Without Boobs. I'm not bothered by them. In fact, the arguments against them are built on bizzare biological fallacies. First off, not even mammals have boobs in real life. Humans are the only species in the world with them. Both sixes of every vertebrate quadurpod megafauna (Excluding massive snakes and aquatic species) in the world have briasts, which are just the fat and muscle tissue over the upper ribs. Only mammals have mammaries, but those are anatomically distinct from briasts (Humans and primates being the few races where they aren't on opposite ends of the abdomen). The sole purpose of briasts (as opposed to flat chests) on a human is attracting a mate, as scientists, and everyone who hits puberty, have discovered. (If they were integral to mammary functon, all mammals would have permanent briasts).

So, the reason Argonian females would have briasts depends on one, and only one factor: Argonian males like briasts as much as humans do.

Of course... on this subject, I would like it if Khajiit females had briasts for all mammaries they might have... then again, it's possible they only have 2, like humans. (And, it would give a physical way to distinguish Alfiq and Pahmer from Housecats and Big Cats, respectively)


Too late. Khajiit have been attractive to the Furry Fandom since Redguard!

Of course, speaking as a Furry myself, I hope they don't make them too wierd (No human hair, please).

shouldn′t it be left to furries to choose what is attractive or not, and why should you care if they are? If your not furry your not exposed to anything X3

And why should they look sinister? This is a playable race we're talking about, not a race of monsters.



Well, I suppose that's a sound argument in defense of large chested Argonians, though if that were the case, they would have briasts but no... you know, details. Which COULD have been the case in Oblivion, since they had permanent bras, we couldn't tell. Even so, I still think flat chests makes more sense for lizards.



I think that's pretty much impossible to avoid when you have a race of animal people in your setting. What I'D be worried about is Khajiit being attractive to people who AREN'T furries, you know, like the Arena Khajiit. I wouldn't even want the Ohmes-rhat, but the tail might already be a bit too much cat for many to think of them in THAT way.

mix betwen both

explain: faces from oblivion but animal legs like morrowind

I'd like to see the Morrowind style legs return for the Khajiit and Argonians. It made them different in the way that everyone wasn't walking around like humans just in different skin, but I wouldn't be too bothered if they don't return.

I preferred Morrowind's beast races. They looked different and unique, and I really liked them for it. Of course, I would like boots and helmets that are tailored to them, or just have a different appearance when you equip standard items.

Like in Morrowind. The "beast race" status helped contribute to the atmosphere of fear and racism, which really drew you in to the world.

You do realize how incredibly wrong your argumentation is?


1) briasts also serve for attract males, it's true. But this works only on species who always have briasts (wether big like in a cow or small like in a dog) to begin with. Reptiles or amphibians do not have briasts because they don't briastfeed their offspring. This is why I have never ever complained about female khajits having briasts.

2) Even if it was still possible for argonians to grow briasts, they would not be liked by the males of the species. The issue with human beings is that, naturally, they think only from the point of view of an human being. But to a lizard or a frog, briasts would never be sixy. For male argonians, briasts would not be attractive. It's too much of a biological nonsense, and it would add to the "argonians are actually humans wearing a lizard mask" feel that I get from them since Oblivion.

I want Skyrim models.

The only reason Oblivion beast races were so unbeastlike is that Bethesda couldn't be bothered making new body models and animations and getting the armors and clothes to work. Oblivion was a triumph of homogenization in many ways.

They looked dumb in Morrowind. Hopefully they can come up with something more beast like, but not dumb looking like Morrowind.

I'd like them to look more along the lines of Morrowind's beasts, but what I really want is different heads to choose from like in Morrowind (that you can still change with sliders and such, of course). I don't like in Oblivion how every Argonian looks like an alligator, and every Khajiit a lion. It would be awesome if you could choose a jaguar like head for a Khajiit, or a more dinosaur like head for an Argonian, etc.

1. Birds, some Amphibians, and Lizards do have briasts. They don't have mammaries. They are two different things (except in humans).
2. Well, Argonians are not Lizards or Frogs. They are Reptilian Humanoids. There's no accounting for taste in creatures of human-level intellect. They might find briasts attractive even if they don't serve a biological function beyond looking good and... I'll stop here.