Will there be a working method of killing campers? I remember the attempt at Section 8 to do that, but it failed horribly. I personally would like a way to effectively kill campers that is smarter than just spray and pray.
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For spawn campers, there are designated indestructable turrets around the perimeter of initial spawns. If an enemy steps into the boundry a warning will tell them not to proceed, and if they refuse, they will be killed instantaneously. Also when you spawn i believe its confirmed that you have a 1-3 second invulnerability to counterattack/prevent/discourage spawn campers

He's talking about camping in general, not just spawncamping.

Camping will be minimized simply by the way the game is designed. The amount of bullets it takes to kill a player, will not benefit those who just sit in one spot and shoot. Also, map design helps to eliminate camping, since most players will be focused in one area (the objective) making sitting in one spot an easy way to get yourself killed.

They tried that in BlackLight: Tango Down and it didn't work out too well. You'd often just become trapped in your base.

Well, i personally had never heard of that developer before that game, plus it was a downloadable marketplace game correct? Obviously the quality of their game will not be as great as a game that costs way more and is developed by a company that knows how to make shooters. I wouldnt say thats a very accurate comparison. Plus all in all, its better than nothing? Cant argue with that logic?

The turrets protect the area AROUND the base i think, which allows you to have more than 2 exits that get camped.

I think the turrets protect the base and perhaps the immediate area around it. On top of this, spawning players have invulnerability until they reach the , for lack of a better word, "safe zone."

If you really hate campers, you can just get the combat intuiton ability so you know when an enemy is looking at you for too long.

Simple. Standing still << Moving around while shooting. Real campers will get cleared out pretty easily.

I believe its a little bit more complicated than that. Well in other games at least it is

For spawn camping that is.

Did anyone else think this thread was going to be about Friday the 13th?

Minecraft.
Super Meat Boy.

"Marketplace" does not equal "poor quality".


Real campers will not. Because real (like in: experienced, skilled, "I know what I'm doing here") campers do more than simply sitting in the exact same corner. They'll fool you.

If a run&gunner and a camper of equal skill in their playstyle are put against each other, they'd probably end up with equal scores.

The second part of your post makes complete sense to me, but I don't really see what you mean in the first part.
I think we're having a different view on camping. For me, camping is sitting in one hard to find spot, or in a spot where you have the element of surprise. You always return to that spot or get real close to it. I have the impression that you consider it more as locking down a certain area (bigger than what I mean)

I consider camping f.e. Hiding in a specific house or hallway.

Section 8 was an interesting experience. Didn't you hear about Brink's camper rocket launcher, you shoot it and it goes and kills the nearest camper :spotted owl:

Go Engineer and plant a turret near him or do what the Bug did in the trailer and slide on your back while shooting. Hopefully you can do this sideways.....

Not really worried about spawn camping at all, rarely an issue for SD games.

Camping can really reach to both ends of the spectrum in skill. low level COD style camping of hiding in a spot with low visibility until someone walks by, usually resulting in crap xp. (advantages being if you can't shoot you get element of surprise)

Other type of camping which is more about controlling an area with large visibility of the enemy (seen all the time in competition). This kind of camping you can tell where enemies are going to be coming from, tell your team, or pick them off from a position YOU choose to your advantage)

Both are camping but one is scrubtastic and the other is basically the best thing you can do in an objective based game.

"Camping" is standard in obj based games, DEF job is literally to camp the obj or choke points leading to the obj (some DEF will send out offensive groups now and then before spawn-timer hits 0)

With SMART someone camping the same tiny corner with no visibility should get [censored] after one encounter so don't worry bout it

A real camper, as Revo puts it, is someone who makes a habit of hugging walls and staying still, waiting to hear footsteps, and getting the drop on the guy as he comes around, then moves to another spot. When done skillfully, its very hard to counter unless you manage to get behind him, or walk at the right moments.

Or get a hunting party of 3 people and :flamethrower: him.......

Yes, but how far away is that other spot? That is what makes the difference between camping and locking down an area. Or do you/Revo consider locking down an area a form of camping?

I consider anyone who waits at a blind corner for 30 seconds for a single kill to be a camper. The exception would be defending an objective.

me> :flamethrower: :flame:

Okay. I do as well.

And yet the player that is camping has learned which area to camp in order to get that kill based on the actions of others. Repetition is the flaw of human nature and campers make use of this. If you randomized your routes then you would not give said camper a reason to sit in the same location. Likewise if you take a different route then you take the camper out of the equation entirely. The only person to blame regarding a camper is the one that continually feeds them kills, thus encouraging their behavior.

camping is something of a jerk strategy. defending and camping are not really the same. camping is specifically waitting for opponents to appear in a specific place...this game's dmage system should largely invalidate that as a tactic, not to mention the other upgrade systems...and the smart movement system...camping will be a waste of time

defending a location is NOT camping. if an objective is to arm a bomb at x then youd better believe 3 heavies will be gaurding said location with everything they've got. it'll take a few runs on both sides to get a solid idea of what objectives pop up at what points.

camping in td: despicable
camping in an objective based game equals either defence or moronic.
defence=camping around a objective or a tactical sideway
moronic=camping somewhere of no use

first one is actually something that's of high tactical value, and the second is only bad for the team the camper is in...
so i don't see the problem with campers here