It's not anti-me, it's just anti-Fallout.

By this logic we are also forced into a six as we can't change it after our initial creation of the character.Should everyone complain about a lack of sixual-realignment surgery and Bethesda contravening the beliefs of LGBT?Or about a lack of A-sixual or sixually ambivalent variants for the PC to play as?

People don't care about equality, they just want to feel represented.

There are much bigger and worse things which are anti-fallout which deserve a thread more than this.

I'd actually say Fallout 1 was more constricting in that you had a set background of a Vault dweller, you had a set mission and you are given a limited time to complete that mission.....the game literally ended if you didn't complete that mission in time.

Imagine Fallout 3 with a invisible timer that made you search for your dad.

on topic....

I can understand some of the angst, since I'd image there would be a lot of complaining if we were forced to play a gay or lisbian protagonist.

I agree, but that doesn't mean this doesn't deserve a mention, thought it should probably be a facet of said other more deserving threads rather than a thread on its own.

That's why I want to be able to wear opposite gender clothes. And we already have facial reconstructive(?) surgery, so it wouldn't be too far fetched to throw in some hormone treatment or something. I won't complain about it though since it was never a part of the original design for Fallout but now that we have things that could allow us to roleplay this kind of character development I don't see why it couldn't be explored.

Honestly though, I don't think we're ever confirmed to have a certain genitalia in any of the games, so if you play as a male character you may be ftm and if you play as a female character you may be mtf. It's left vague so we can roleplay as having transitioned prior to the start of the game. Hell, we can probably even do this in Fallout 4 and headcanon that the baby is adopted or that the female (if she isn't mtf) carried the child from another mans sperm donation or that the male (if ftm) carried it even.

Only one we can't do that in is Fallout 3 since the gender we're born with is the one we're stuck with for the rest of the game.

Just for the sake of interest:

Stop teh gay invasion you guys, they're everywhere.

My point is that this whole argument is risible, if we really cared about equality and representing every possible sixual or asixual variation people would be inveighing Bethesda for not including, herns, merns and ferns or the androgynous or the asixual.

To reference my previous epigram, "people don't care about equality, they just want to feel represented".

I don't even know what any of that means and i sure as hell not going to waste my time looking into it. Good to know though that you get your information from other sources besides yourself.

True. I'm hearing-impaired, yet I'm totally fine with playing a character who has two working ears. I don't mind representation in games, in fact I think they're good. My opinion is that eventually the creator has to put his/her foot down and say, "Look, this is the story I'm writing. Deal with it." If they spent all that time trying to make sure every single group known to man has a representation, then their story will never be told. Do we want Fallout 4 to be released on November 2038?

I don't care about "equality" when it comes to this 'issue', I care about roleplaying flexibility.

If some other company made a game that isn't an RPG and they had no LGBT representation then I don't give a crap.

Not everything has to have LGBT elements strewn around in it.

When it comes to RPG's though, I want as much flexibility as I can get as it helps me roleplay really varied characters.

So I don't care about equality, I don't care about feeling represented, I care about roleplaying flexibility.

In regards to game? It only really matters if it enhances or diminishes immersion.

I don't know where you're from, but as I said earlier in this thread... My uncles been married to a guy for 25 years now and gay for.. if I remember correctly 30-35 years and I'd say that even back then, he wasn't forced to be a certain way, it was mostly a societal ignorance of homosixuality. For my sake, I was born in 1981 and I don't have any experience with forced sixuality either. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I presume quite a bit less widespread here, I know of maybe 2-3 examples.

This has been explained many times, but let me try a slightly different approach. There's a difference between the circumstances of a character's birth and who they are as a person. Previous games defined the circumstances of the character's birth and events beyond their control. Fallout 4's intro defines a lot of their character, their choices, and who they are as a person. My brothers and I all grew up in the same home and the same circumstances but we are all very different people. Where we were born and how we grew up didn't matter, how we reacted to our circumstances did. I would have had zero problem if say the family you create has a child or teenager (who's look and gender you choose) rather than a baby who ages to advlthood in the vault before they are cryogenically frozen and it's the child we play as. We could still have experienced pre-war life and the culture shock of emerging to the wasteland without having our character restricted.

How could you ever then support a game that doesn't allow you to invent time travel and change the entire world in the past, because your characet is just that smart?

Oh I don't know, maybe I should avoid buying RPG's until they give me what you just said.

Cause, I hadn't thought about it before but now that you mentioned it I got to have it.

So... [censored] it, I'm boycotting Fallout 4 until our characters can invent time-travel!

Nah, you have that pretty locked down already.

Maybe if the game was about time-travel s/he wouldn't.

pre-order canceled, game doesn't let me be a brony furry otherkin sixual attack helicopter

My point was more that, while I totally understand it from a personal subjective perspective of immersion... The openworld rpg freedom argument is somewhat arbitrary, because... you could replace it with any number of things, that aren't possible either.

And this specific thing isn't possible becaaaauuuuussseeee...? You're literally equating time travel with the inclusion of sixuality and saying both are equally unfeasible. That's the only real arbitrary thing I'm seeing here. We're not asking for anything or everything we're asking for something very specific that has been included before and wouldn't require much work.

The difference is between something that is feasible request and something that is an extreme request. Roleplaying as someone who is gay is a feasible request as it can easily be designed (well, not now though because of the backstory Bethesda's decided to write themselves into, but it was a feasible request prior to their limiting design decision). Allowing players to create a time-machine for no specific reason, is an extreme request that would require the entire game be designed around it for it to be worth a damn in the first place. I mean, you're changing the past. Butterfly effect.

So it's not the same thing. Asking for X is not the same as asking for Y.

There's nothing stopping your character from being gay, there's a profusion of men/women that have been married with kids and have eventually identified themselves as homosixual.

This has been pointed out to several people several times to no avail. The pouty pouts have stamped their feet, crossed their arms, and stuck out their lower lip with a scowl on their wittle faces until they get the big ad meanies at BGS to change their errant ways.

A number of people are fine with the initial setup, just want a some reassurance that you'll be able to identify as homosixual AFTER the tutorial, in the Wasteland and have that decision facilitated by perks and/or dialogue.

Entitled people who don't "allow" a developer to tell a story deserve nothing. I'm sure I'm not alone in seeing the dark side in demanding gamers wanting the game to be designed for them.

Artists are no longer allowed to choose their own art, it seems.

Edit

As I stated in an earlier post, I'm all for player freedom, but there does come a point whether you choose to see it or not, where an artist has to create work they want.

If you want so desperately a game about homosixuals, make it yourself. Your vision will become your vision. If Bethesda have a story to tell, how dare anyone try to tell them what to do.

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I write fiction. If someone were to tell me what to include or what not to, I'd tell them to calmly F off. Simple. My work.

Exactly. The story clearly hinges on a family man/woman and the impact of having your family taken away from you which was played with in 3 but this seems like this will be better, imo. Minus the lack of Liam Neeson.

This. I'd like more choice in sixuality too, choices in every compartment indeed, but I can't stand people that pretend as they're entitled to.