I'm sorry but this is Fallout 4 not "whats going on in 2015 in real life today, and how can we shoehorn it in our game". Or, "it's not in the game, there'fore Bethesda are not on our side" The topic of this thread is just that.. acting like this is some kind of victory. I'm sorry but you lose already by default.

I never thought gamesas were homophobic, just that they made a decision about the story of Fallout 4 without realising the full (life) consequences.

yeah lets get threedog in on this fight too while we're at it lets fight for.. everyone knowing what we fight for, yeah! everyone needs to know

meanwhile man in the east lives on a handful of rice and some fruit and lives a humble existence. talk about people having big head and sense of importance.

Well that escalated quickly.

Personally and in my humble oppinion. I'm for as much choice for as many people as possible. It is especially applicable in openworld, "sandbox" rpg's. This is the player "area of responsibility".

However, I'm against eg. changing a story writers characters or stories around for reasons of political correctness or inclusion. This is where we let the artist do his/her thing. Not every story has to be applicable for everyone.

There's a balance in there somewhere.

PS and EDIT: Also, this is a video gaming forum, not the UN security council or something.

PPS: In regards to balance... It's also between telling a specific story (making a specific piece of art) and how many people you want to be able to enjoy it.

You guys know that Bethesda is no way obliged to "include everyone", right? As much as creative writing and subtlety is their weakest point, art direction is their choice. How come I keep hearing "it's their game so they can add pink laser pony wizard" on one end, and "there must be an option for every sixuality and gender identification" on another?

And for the record, I'm all for as many options as possible, assuming they'll have some impact.

Bethesda need to make their art and forget about these forums.

Haha I didn't mean Three Dog though. "The good fight" was a phrase before Three Dog came along.

Can't help but feel those two should be on the same end of the spectrum.

I'm reasonably sure that's what they do. I mean, they can't possibly please both the people who love traditional deep RPGs and those who like to explore and do all kinds of sandboxy stuff. These two things aren't very compatible.

Then again, they've brought this upon themselves by that family intro.

I may be exaggerating a bit but it's the point im trying to make.. ive seen these threads crop up ever since the game was announced with a male protagonist. Then it's the marriage thing.. i wonder what's next, Fallout 4's lack of robot fetish? May i suggest you play NV then and find our pal fisto.

It doesn't mean anything, everyone and their cat's newly killed prey is throwing the rainbow crap all over the place. It's a bandwagon, it's all there is. So Bethesda's showing their support by jumping on the bandwagon, it doesn't mean that Fallout 4 is going to be designed any differently than from what we've seen.

It's probably just some easy marketing for them.

I don't even think it's that, really.

I doubt anyone who's pro-LGBT rights are going to be all like "oh well 'now' I gotta buy the next coming Bethesda game! I had zero interest in buying it before but because Bethesda posted the rainbow icon I've seen the light and damnit! Take my money, Bethesda!"

So whatever, Bethesda's pro-LGBT rights, I kinda figured that out from their last couple of games. It doesn't change the fact that the protagonist is still forced into a marriage with someone of the opposite gender and even goes so far as to have a child with that person, meaning the two of them area building a life together. Them posting the rainbow flag doesn't change this. And it doesn't give me high hopes for the roleplaying flexibility of the protagonist(s).

It is possible that the writers assumed that the protagonist is heterosixual. Considering Bethesda's demonstrated preference for storytelling over role-play, I think it probable that the writers made that assumption.

It is very satisfying to me to see our community delivering Bethesda a swift kick in the pants to remind them that story is not the be-all and end-all of role-playing games.

And I'm fine with that. I wouldn't mind if the game was completely six- and romance-free. But if there *is* six and romance - gay or straight or whatever - it should be optional.

Dialogue options hinting at the marriage being unhappy, or the spouses not being married for love, should fix that to some degree.

Agree on that.

Vexen >

About the media coverage of legalized same-six mariage.

It is a pretty big milestone that happened on that very day, which need a mention in the long history of northern america's LGBT history.

It is totally normal that the thing is pretty well covered and i wouldn't be surprised if each anniversary of that date get coverage.

Still, that doesn't mean that the topic will be covered every single day of the year. It might even be forgotten in a month, except for the people that waited for this for decades and finally got their wishes.

On the other hand, too much coverage of the terrorist attack is exactly what the terrorist (and other people) want.

If we cannot evade the news of terrorists attacks, spend our days listening lenghty report about them, we might feel ourselves overwhelmed by the fear of terrorist, which is the whole point of the thing. They want to never allow you to not fear them, to never allow you to feel safe. At the other hand, it is impossible to avoid talking about those attack. But talking about it 24 hours a day, is unhealthy, in my opinion. It only helps terrorist and those who take advantage of the fear they cause to remove some individual rights. (IMO)

sometimes i wish Bethesda would give a swift kick in the pants to community pack up the whole single player sandbox rpg gig

im sure they wouldn't have worry or see all these armchair game devs spitting on there years of hard work everyday and they be lot less stressful.

and then i remember they make some best games in the industry so slap myself for such Heretical thoughts.

i mean they proved that they can do mobile now

No worry about that. Bethesda has been rubbing the community's noses in it ever since Oblivion.

People still upset about the main character of Fallout 4 being heterosixual?...

And what does this have to do with FO4?

Dude, there are people that are still upset that we're forced to help daddy-o in Fallout 3.

Unless Fallout 4 does something to satisfy us that have an issue with the hetero-sixual relationship being forced on the protagonist at the start then some of us are going to be upset for years.

Don't think because they did that "gesture" there will be the option of gay protagonists. It doesn't go with the lore of the 60's this game theme has.

If you watch the E3 video where they do character creation, you can see when they switch to the female character there is an option on the menu bar that says "Y-six". This would seem to indicate that you can change the gender of either character.

Now for a rant. Even if you can not change it, get the [censored] over it. Bethesda has written a story that you get to play. You have no more control over what the story is than they allow you to have. To me it is no different than reading a novel. I love Stephen King novels, but not all of them. Some I stopped reading because I didn't care for the story, and others I have read multiple times. So if you don't like starting as a heterosixual couple with a child, buy a different game.

I agree with LostPony. We are at the point were it's time to move on now. If being a heterosixual bother you that much then just don't play the game. I know people who love the Last of Us but refuse to get the DLC because Riley and Ellie are gay. Don't get me wrong I want the choice to be in but it's honestly isn't worth this many threads.

I think the Y-six thing is whether you play as the husband or wife.


I agree with everything else you're saying though.