No, I will not.

I could roleplay as being gay in previous Fallout games, going as far back as Fallout 1, and now I can't.

So no, I will not get over it when they've cut away so many pieces of what makes Fallout Fallout.

I will not get over it when they keep limiting our choices because they have no clue what Fallout is about.

First it was a great day yesterday with America taking a step closer to true liberty and freedom for all.

Second, we should keep the tone respectfully and positive because we want Bethesda to continue to listen to their user community.

I'm all for everyone letting them know what they liked and what they didn't like, but giving them a swift kick in the pants before we have even played the game is counter productive.

Especially because this time all the players (PC and Console) will be able to mod the game to their own personal satisfaction.

They have been showing the love to all the Fallout and Elder Scroll PC players because they give us the freedom to mod the game to what we want.

I can understand that the console players don't realize just how amazing the modding community is for Fallout, but this time they will get to experience it.

The primary difference being that Stephen King does not sell his books as choose-your-own-adventures yeah?

Bye, then!

First of all if they were worried about lore of the 50s, there would not be homosixuality in any of the fallout games. Including New Vegas. I don't care if it was made by Obsidian, Bethesda still watched over it.

Second, as I mentioned mutiple times, I made this topic not to assume to that you can be gay in the game but that Bethesda is aware of the gay community and supports it. Which means if My PC is straight then I trust Bethesda jas a damn good reason to make me straight.

People here seem to be getting the wrong impression of this thread. In no way am I saying that their support means that homosixuality is confirmed in this game. For all we know we will be stuck with a straight character till the end.

What I am trying to say is that they ARE SUPPORTIVE of the LGBT community. When I made this topic it was to state that they will either cover the lgbt community in the game or if we are striaght, then they have a damn good reason for doing so.

In no way do I believe that Bethesda went out of their way to exclude the LGBT community. What would be the point to support us if they were just gonna put a middle finger at us and pretend we didn't exist?

Though offcourse even choose-your-own-adventures are with their own limits. I mean I can't build a delorean and a flux capacitor in any fallout game and time travel, prevent the war my mr. fusion and then play in that universe.

That they have decided to tell a story involving a straight person (guesswork here), I can't really see the problem with.

Sure, in the interest in complete personal player freedom, no backstory at all would be preferred, but I'm willing to wait and see what the story turns out be. It might be good...

No no, I won't bid adieu until Fallout 4 is released and I've criticized everything I see a problem with, that is, if Fallout 4 really has so many problems that I have to bid adieu in the first place. I'm not sold on that Fallout 4 is going to be completely awful just yet. I won't know how bad it is (if it even is as bad as I assume it is at its current state) until it is released so I can see everything first hand.

So you're gonna have to hold of waving goodbye to me for probably a year.

I'm sorry but I been playing Fallout since I was 9 years old, when the first game came out in 1998. Never once was Fallout about homosixuality, six, or whatever the person sitting behind the screen is. It's post apocalyptic fiction. If you cannot wrap your head around the fact you are playing a piece of fiction that has nothing to do with you per se, then there is nothing more to discuss. You clearly don't have any idea what Fallout or any kind of fiction is about and your opinion on it is effectively nill. Have a nice day banging your head against the wall when everything doesn't cater to your specific preferences..

It is a very strong plot line that I hope Bethesda runs with, but I don't think it will be a mandatory plot line or a vital part of the main quest.

For all we know your spouse and son awoken twenty years ago and the spouse has since remarried.

Maybe the Spouse remarried to provide a home for the son and the son now has half brothers and sisters.

Maybe the marriage is on the rocks.

Maybe you can choose to merge the marriage/families.

Give a shout out to the polygamy Fallout players.

I'm looking at you, Utah.

I just expect Bethesda to give us the freedom to chose to follow it up or to ignore it.

Otherwise there won't be any serious romance opportunities except the spouse.

I'm just hoping that Bethesda has improve the romance game play from Skyrim.

You can still be gay if you so choose. How many people have married and then come out as gay in the real world??? You can do the same in the game. Who cares if your spouse and kid pop up later in the game? You will likely have a choice as to what you do at that point.

In 3 we are supposed to be a 19 year old teen in the game, but as soon as I leave the vault, I forget all about it and fall into the role I create for myself. I may be married in RL, and have kids, but when I am in the game, I will be who I always am in Bethesda games, a silent stealthy lone wolf killer that you will likely never hear coming. My sixuality in a video game is never even a thought as it is not why I am playing the game in the first place.

god forbid, you are 19 years old. I find this offensive because I am 25. Bethesda were clearly age-ists when they made the game because they didn't think to include me in their intro. I thought our society was changing and progressing, but this is all wrong. Get with the times Beth

To be fair, going by Fallout 3's karma/choice system, your choice will be either 1. take your family back and be the great mom/dad you never were or 2. kill them in cold blood.

What are you talking about? No, Fallout was never "about" homosixuality. I never said that. I said that Fallout has always allowed us to be homosixual or bisixual if we wanted to, it never forced such a thing as sixuality on us going as far back as the first game. It was always open for us to decide on our own. Bethesda's Fallout 4 is the only game that goes against that, and to me that means cutting away yet another aspect of Fallout. We lost turn-based combat, we lost isometric view, we lost a world map, we lost traits for a while, we've now lost the traditional skills, we lost the design of SPECIAL (1-10, 5 is average), we lost the traditional dialogue choices, we lost the ability to choose what we think our character would sound like for the role we're playing, we've lost certain lore and finally, we lost the vague background that allowed us to create a character of our own choosing.

My problem is that we're losing more and more of what makes Fallout Fallout.

"Don't like it, don't buy it" is a non-argument and shows you don't understand why people complain.

Some of the people who complain will buy the game anyway because they still think they will enjoy playing it - if not as much as they would have with a less restricted protagonist. They complain because they don't think it will be as good as it could - and should - have been. I criticize things about all the games that I play. I still like them. But they would have been even better if done differently in some aspects.

Some of the people who complain will in fact not buy it unless they can play as gay, asixual, something other than family man/woman etc. I'm one of those. I complain because I would have wanted to buy the game because it seems very good in many ways - but it might be that I can't, because of this one issue. Telling me "if you don't like it, don't buy it" is like telling a person who doesn't like coffee not to drink it - they normally don't

As for this...

There's a reason why I prefer games to novels and movies, and that is that they are interactive, and I can be creative. The more of those elements missing, the less interesting it is to me.

Sorry mate, Bethesda's Fallout is a spin-off at best and people like it that way, as proven by this http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1523844-most-important-factor-of-fallout/. Proper Fallout is dead until someone like Obsidian or InXile get their hands on it again.

It's kind of hard to discuss anything here when arguments from the new blood are on one side "It's a change, get over it, stop hating change, you nostalgic person!" and at the same time on the other hand "it has always been in Fallout, so it's right" (as used in the aliens argument).

But explain how sixuality is more important than any other limitations we've had in the past? You can't.

Fallout 1 - You are from a dying vault and its your first trip into the wasteland. I cannot roleplay someone experienced in the wastes, can I?

Fallout 2 - Your origins are from a village and you're the chosen

Fallout 3 - Your mum died and your father left, and you grew up and left the vault at 19

Explain how sixuality in the story is a bigger limitation than any of these? You can't, because yourself and others who are orchestrating these threads are putting your sixuality before everything else.

It's Bethesda, writing has never been their strong point, and now it seems like they're making it a focal point for the narrative which is why we're stuck with a dialogue wheel, enforced backstory and voiced protagonist. All I'm saying is that you really shouldn't hold your breath for Bethesda to give you good writing. So their good reason? Probably the baby. That 'thing' is going to be important somehow. We'll see just how good of a reason it is when we can see the main story in its entirety.

Fallout 4 could start with me walking out of the vault with no clear goal or path, and I'd be fine with it. But I think a massive portion of the audience won't know what to do with themselves unless it's right in their face really. I have friends who tried Fallout 3 and couldnt get past megaton. They told me "I had no idea where to go or what to do". Some just don't have the mindset to try a different kind of game to something like Call of Duty or another game which holds your hand the entire way through. Bethesda also need to expand their audience any way they can. Let's hope there's something in the game for us all.

I am perfectly okay with that aspect. I will play as the mother if it's the case.

The protagonist in FO3 is pretty limited yes, and too limited for my taste. I can't say anything about the others.

But yes, sixuality seems to matter a lot more than those things. I think if the character had a forced race or gender there would have been even more complaints. That is because those are big issues in our society, while having a father or being born in a village is not. I think players would have been more ok with the "heterosixual marriage with baby" intro in a perfect world where people did not try to force a certain sixuality on you from childhood and onwards, in almost every aspect of culture and society.

Yes but again that's real life. Remember its Fallout.. it is post-society anyway. You're surviving in the great expanse known as the wasteland, fighting off super mutants raiders ghouls and deathclaws. I highly doubt sixual preference is anywhere close to the players characters state of mind.

Fiction doesn't exist in a vacuum. It is created by real world people and has a real world audience.

No entertainment franchise is defined by individuals who insist on looking at individual installments, particularly initial installments, and claiming that certain elements within those installments define the franchise while other elements introduced later do not. On the contrary, most works explain a limited world view initially and then evolve as the franchise continues (assuming it's successful and the creators decide to continue it, even though sometimes they decide not to ever for successful works).

Bethesda has not removed anything from Fallout. They have added to it by creating lore about what has happened on the east coast before and after the war. It does not matter what the first games did when it comes to the events on the east coast. That includes social mores and other elements of culture. The first games didn't cover these things and could not have aside from possibly rumors or indirect knowledge which could be very inaccurate or flat-out wrong.

As far as everything we have currently seen and known about FO4, any player is still perfectly free to define the PC's sixuality and sixual orientation in any way they wish. We have not seen anything at all that explicitly shows the PC being heterosixual (i.e., having a child does not automatically make a person heterosixual). The beginning tutorial is always a short part of any BGS game and there has also been know indication that defining the PC's possible changes in viewpoint post-war have in any way been curtailed or specific choices forced on players.

No it doesn't but good fictions captures a much broader piece of the world and paints in much broader strokes. I'm sorry but if this was playschool the word of the day would be gay because everyone and his mother is talking about it and spewing it left and right, and is invading many forms of art and media. I'm so very happy i no watch TV but it pisses me off to no end when I see these threads crop up over and over again. You people won't be happy until every single person on earth accepts you and you know what? you will lose because it won't happen you need to accept yourself.. but you won't, because you can't even relax and play a video game without feeling like it's anti-you or something. get real.