After countless topics about being homosixuals in the game. After all the arguments whether or not the LGBT community was being left out. After all the worry, complaining, and hurt feelings. Maybe finally this will put people at easy. Obviously we all know that gay marriage was legalized for all 50 States. As such facebook has been filling up with pictures of rainbows and pride.

Bethesda is including themselves on this great day by filling their page supporting they're LGBT gamers.

Take a look

https://m.facebook.com/BethesdaSoftworks

https://twitter.com/Bethblog/status/614464439694295040?s=09

And before people start saying "Oh that's not for pride that's just their old logo" which is indeed their old logo, but if you see on twitter they put #LoveWins which is meant for marriage equality. So no explaining away their pride, okay?

Now everyone just calm down. I realize the concern, hell I was one of the first really worried about nit being ME in the game. However, this shows that not only does Bethesda know about gays, they also support us. I can'tsay it's official but it does ease my mind knowing they support the gay community.

There is absolutely no reason to doubt that they have us covered. In some shape or form they have a way to include EVERYONE. That include gay, straight, trans, or whatever your heart desires. Bethesda loves all their loyal fans no matter who they are.

So trust them and enjoy the game that they present to you!

EDIT

People here seem to be getting the wrong impression of this thread. In no way am I saying that their support means that homosixuality is confirmed in this game. For all we know we will be stuck with a straight character. Which means if My PC is straight then I trust Bethesda jas a damn good reason to make me straight.

What I am trying to say is that they ARE SUPPORTIVE of the LGBT community. When I made this topic it was to state that they will either cover the lgbt community in the game or if we are striaght, then they have a damn good reason for doing so.

In no way do I believe that Bethesda went out of their way to exclude the LGBT community. What would be the point to support us if they were just gonna put a middle finger at us and pretend we didn't exist?

As an Ally, my thumbs up.

But aren't we forced into a heterosixual marriage at the start of FO4?

At the start sure, but who's to say those of same-six preference don't find themselves someone special out in the wasteland?

Who cares how it starts?

It's nice that they're putting rainbows in their page to support gay marriage, but they still haven't spoken on Fallout 4 have they? The complaint threads about homosixuality in Fallout 4 was about the protagonist being forced into a heterosixual marriage and having a child.

Not sure how this resolves that issue in any way.

Point of this topic is to show that Bethesda knows who gay people are and supports them. Even IF we are married in the beginning, we should trust Bethesda has the gay community covered.

Afterall, it makes zero sense for them to support them publicly and ignore them in Fallout 4.

A lot of people come out of the closet even after being married with kids for years even decades. Ewan McGregor did a movie called 'Beginners' with Christopher Plummer about an elderly man who comes out of the closet, after his wife of many years passes on.

Here's the link:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1532503/

I doubt they'll ignore them but whether or not the MC can be homosixual is another thing. In 3 they were a few homosixual couples but the LW could only be straight (maybe asixual if you didn't get the BW/LK perk) yes in NV you could be homo/hetro/bi but that was made by Obsidian instead of Bethesda. So so far Bethesda has not allowed the MC to be gay in their Fallout games.

Though on the other hand in Skyrim everyone that could be married was bi so you could play whatever sixuality you wanted. But just because somethings in one series doesn't mean it'll be in the other.

It really seems to come down to the perks they havery in 4 since that's mostly how sixuality has been handled in the modern Fallout games. Though since I doubt they're gonna have marriage syetem like skyrim or go bioware style you can headcannon anything you want really, people did this a lot with 3.

Really the only problem with headcannon in 4 will be if the spouse shows back up and the game forces you to continue being with them.

This really does not matter in the bigger picture or in real life. Aside from homosixuals, there are transgendered people who get married (as heterosixuals) before finally realizing that marriage is not going to "cure" their troubles in coming to terms with the conflict between who they feel they are versus their physical selves. A very well-known recent example that has been in many news media reports lately is Bruce Jenner.

Regarding a game such as Fallout with its context being 1950s American society and culture, it would be very difficult for Bethesda to realistically allow open homosixual relationships, at least in most contexts, because they were not an open part of American culture at that time, thus doing so would undermine believability in the world and society that Todd and his team are attempting to create.

Probably the only way they could do it would be to put such relationships into the game in similar social contexts as that era.

Fortunately for players, the Great War puts everything into a different context than the original 1950s American social mores. Therefore, once the war happens and any survivors attempt to find a way to live in the devastated aftermath, the culture of the post-war world doesn't need to adhere to pre-war standards, at least in general. Players are much more free to approach the game however they wish even if there are specific areas that attempt to maintain pre-war social mores (and there probably would be certain groups who do such things as a coping mechanism if nothing else).

BGS has never prevented any player from playing a homosixual character in their games. I'm not sure why anyone would think otherwise. I tend to play yuri/lisbian adolescent girls and it works just fine for me, for example, regardless of whether I play Morrowind, Oblivion, FO3, or Skyrim (or FO4, hopefully).

That could just be what we saw at e3. I mean, it's possible there's a male/male relationship or female/female relationship options with an adopted/semi-natural baby instead. To clarify what I mean by semi-natural, I don't know a better term for it. In the case of a male/male relationship, it'd be a surrogate mother/egg donor and one of the men's sperm so only one of them would actually be a biological parent. For the female/female, one of the women gives birth via sperm donor but again, only one of them is biologically a parent.

Anyway, it's possible we only saw the straight option at e3 because it's the default or something. Though to be fair, I'd imagine they'd have said something about other options by now if there were some.

I'm gonna go ahead and stop you there. That argument falls flat because interracial couples were not socially accepted in the 1950s either yet there is clearly the option to make an interracial couple during character creation. That '1950s culture' excuse doesn't fly.

I'm not saying Bethesda as a company whole aren't supporters of the LGBT community, but after all the cry about Fallout 4, I'd say this was just more incentive to 'justify' thing using social media.

And it still doesn't change Fallout 4.

Ah come on now. They did somethin' nice for the recent events.

They have a story to tell, and unfortunately that means some things are forced. They have a unique mechanic for choosing male or female characters to go with that. Give them some credit. The game starts one way, and is gonna end another way.

Where you start, is not where you are going. The start is trivial in comparison.

So Bethesda doesn't live on a desert island, got it.

That's my fear. Even worse if the main plot of the game is "I must scour the wasteland to find and or rescue my beloved husband/wife and son!"

Theyre also some companies who didn't post "YAY GAY PEOPLE!!!" seconds after the ruling that are being called bigots and being threatened with anything between boycott and death. So if you don't want bad publicity you got to post something.

Don't get me wrong I think Bethesda really is happy for them, but still.

I'm still of the mindset that it would break the narrative allowing same six intimacy. That being said, Todd said they have to sacrifice telling a great story for player freedom. So I guess it could happen.

I think of John Marston not being able to sleep with prosttutes. In GTA they don't care, but in Red Dead it doesn't make sense in the story as he's a married man who loves his wife.

Be careful, people HATE it when you draw those comparisons.

If they hadn't forced the protagonist to be married this wouldn't be an issue.

I'm just a stickler for narrative and hate it when things don't make sense when a story is being told, whatever that story is.

I'd be saying exactly the same thing if the story was about 2 men who were married and adopted a baby. It wouldn't make sense for that man to engage in heterosixual behaviour.

@Nefla

That point is nonsense. A story is a story. We can sit here all day talking about what if this and that.

Before I start with usual forum drama I just wanna say that I am happy as fornication. I am sweating rainbow glitter. I'm not sure how many people realize how big a deal this is, that America, the Western world's cultural Mecca, just legalized marriage across the board but it is fornicatingly huge and I am all aflush with undiluted joy.

[regular forum posting will resume shortly]

Think of it this way. Lets oretend GTA and Red Dead are books

They are the novels, there is a set story and you can't do anything to change it. The characters has a predetermind life and that is okay. It makes sense that they are straight because they are intended from the start.

Now Fallout is more "Choose your own Adventure" type book. Where they give you a vauge character to play as but they allow you to pick and choose your own character. So even though you are in a different world and different story, you can still pick and choose what you would do in that situation. Just like in Fallout 3 and New Vegas.

Now I am not saying you can't do it in Fallout 4, but what people seem to be uoset about is that they feel they are leaning toward a Novel rather than keep the "Choose your own adventure" style.

My opinion is that even though it did bother me in the start, I don't mind if I was in a hetetosixual marriage because I am trusting Bethesda to either cover me in some form or give me a compelling reason why it's like that.

But the beginning of Fallout 4 is in 2077, not the 1950's. There is nothing to indicate that the prevailing perception of marriage in the 1950's was still present or not.

And why not? Everything else is stuck in that 1950's feel and style. Everyone is still Apple Pie, Baseball, and America. That Leave It To Beaver, Ozzy and Harriet mood and theme.

@RetroMutt

Yea I get that mate, like I said for player freedom whatever makes people enjoy the game. For me it would just be jarring for something like this to be super obvious. Imagine a scene where the PC says he hates children... that would break the narrative because he's a loving father at the start of the game.

Player freedom comes first in a game like this though. Just hoping the narrative is worthy this time around. For me nothing has beaten RDR for story. Maybe FFVII, but I haven't played that for years.

Edit

Another example is where games stress that urgency is required. Like in Mass Effect 2. It's rammed down our throats that we must do this quick to save the world, but yet we can fanny around the game doing all sorts of side quests.

That's fine I want content, but it does break the narrative when characters tell you how urgently we need to get somewhere, your character agrees, and then doesn't go there... Player freedom though.