[Tarka]

We are kind of fed up with the lack of information regarding the PC/PS3, which has not seen a single frame or pixel of real footage. Nothing has been announced regarding mod tools, dedicated servers, and we are only two months from release. Absolutely everything regarding the Crysis 2 marketing adventure has been 100% exclusive to the Xbox360 aside from an offhand comment here or there from a developer. You guys failed to promise on many things like a beta, instead a sly "tech test" was released exclusive to the Xbox360 to get around this issue.

The once again, exclusive Xbox360 demo is what has erupted in clear frustration by the community. It is about time the other platforms got even a fraction of the attention the Xbox360 has gotten. The entire developmental process of Crysis 2 has been limited to the Xbox360.

So here is my question. When will we see some actual PR regarding the PS3 and PC versions of the game? When will the PC/PS3 see a demo or beta similar to what the X360 has?

This has to be the most lopsided multiplatform marketing I have ever seen from a game. We have largely lost faith in Crytek's ability to deliver a quality multiplatform game. This runs much deeper than the Demo itself, it is a complete dissolving of trust that Crytek has chipped away at over the last 18 months of the so called Crysis 2 marketing. This thread has evolved into something much more than the poll suggests, it is our entire frustrations with the Microsoft stroking your team has been doing for 18 months now.

[Hilm Music]

Basically, we would prefer NOT to be stabbed in the back. Continuously. In essence, this would mean that a demo shouldn't be exclusive to platform X or Y.

See, not only is it a mindlessly stupid business decision, it is also a slap in the face to your community. If community mattered anything to this company, such things wouldn't happen in the first place.

That's it. That's the point of this thread. If you want a direct question that you could give a direct answer to... Here's one: Why is this demo an XBOX 360 exclusive?

[Sasha Brown]

Thanks Talon, if everyone can conform to this type of forum posting (or close enough) to raise concerns then i'm confident we'll be able to address the issues. I'll be raising your concerns (based off this post) first thing tomorrow morning. If anyone feels Talon95 has missed something and has something further to add, i'll keep checking this thread throughout the evening and add anything additional that needs to be raised.

[Anne marie]

@ Tom

What if you make a sticky topic tomorrow concering these issues and you explain the concerns, or a respected forum member makes such a sticky topic, if you closely moderate that topic it should be possible to have a clear discussion about these issues and people can express their concerns and questions in a orderly way.

But that would basically be this thread all over again with not a whole lot of benefit. Once again it'd grow rapidly and become tricky to moderate. Equally, I don't think he can really sticky this thread because it's basically Knock Knock VII. As for moving to Feedback & Support, either all the demo threads should be there, or none of them. Splitting them half and half is just confusing.

@Tom: It would be nice to have an actual explanation as to why beta keys were advertised for signing up to gamesas, and the relevant announcement then deleted.

[Nana Samboy]

@ Tom

What if you make a sticky topic tomorrow concering these issues and you explain the concerns, or a respected forum member makes such a sticky topic, if you closely moderate that topic it should be possible to have a clear discussion about these issues and people can express their concerns and questions in a orderly way.

But that would basically be this thread all over again with not a whole lot of benefit. Once again it'd grow rapidly and become tricky to moderate.

Equally, I don't think he can really sticky this thread because it's basically Knock Knock VII.

As for moving to Feedback & Support, either all the demo threads should be there, or none of them. Splitting them half and half is just confusing.

I've read through most of this thread, and in terms of clearly pointing out issues that need to be addressed I feel like we've only just managed to reach this on page 18, Talon95 has made some great points and as I said if you feel he's missed something post it here and i'll raise it tomorrow.

[Brιonα Renae]

In addition to talons post im concerned about DX11 support. I thought crytek would show off nice tesselation to convince people its the best looking game etc etc.

Also i would like to see some explaining why the Demo is Xbox only(MS paid, limited time/money) and who is responsible for crysis 2 marketing(EA or crytek)? Crysis 2 is scheduled only a month after bulletstorm and that game is being marketed like crazy at the moment, the total opposite of crysis.

As for the rest, i think Talon covered everything else

[adame]

For now, im heading offline. Leave your concerns here while Tom is still online in case I missed anything. I am afraid the current questions are only going to get a "more information upcoming" answer.

On a side note, I will be fixing up the OP and poll later today.

Thank you community for your everlasting support,

Talon

[Trey Johnson]

I fixed the title and removed the now offtopic poll. The fix to the OP is forthcoming.

Keep up the support!

[Javier Borjas]

Wow, I never knew things were this bad, even on the old site :O. I hope we all get some answers asap.

[Daramis McGee]

:), sorry, just had to do that

Anything i have to say has already been said here, i'm still going on crysis 1, i love it, there's a large crysis 1 modding community, but they all want answers but don't get them

[Kelly James]

i would suggest leaving this topic as it was, with the pool about pre orders and stuff (also put bakc the previous title) and make a new topic with 'knock knock crytek - community concerns' or something the like as title, move the last few pages about this subject into there or even delete them and make a summary of the concerns of the community that we want to see explained by crytek

[Silvia Gil]

Don't worry about the poll, i noted the stats before it went down and it will be a point i raise internally. Seperate platform forums will not be created now, they will most likely appear around the time of release. The main reason for this is the console community presence on gamesas is not that large at the moment and we feel these sections would not create enough unique topics to warrant having them, so for now the general discussion is sufficient.

For the 6v6 there's not much I can say on the topic for now. 6v6 is the game size for multiplayer on all platforms, the reason behind this has been explained a number of times, it's based on the map sizes, gamespeed/gameplay, and generally people working as a team (in games larger than 6v6 people tend to do their own thing more often).
The future of Crysis 2 is of course uncertain, I do not know if there'll be something in the future that will raise this limit and make it possible for more people to play in the game, but for March 22nd/25th, 6v6 will be the player size.

[Adam]

so on an issue as large/vast as this one, I'm not going to be able to give you all the information you are after until next week when i'll do my best to get every concern addressed.

Thanks for being straight-up with us Tom. While the lack of information is disappointing, the lack of transparency and communication between fans and the PR/Development people has been more frustrating to me - so thanks for the response.

[roxanna matoorah]

so there will be an longer support for crysis 2 ?
not the same game as crysis and cw?
sorry for this critical question.

[Luis Longoria]

Hmmmh omg... all hell breaks loose... and im only 6 hours away

All this anger and all the hate just because of a 360 exclusive demo?
holy mother of god! I still dont know how could anybody get angry about the demo of a videogame?
Okay there is no Pc Demo or maybe there never will be one. Who cares? Just calm down!
If the PC/PS3 version will be crap then ( speaking for the german customers ) you have the right to get your money back. If it gets public that Crysis 2 gets brought back by the customers Crytek would be in deep trouble.
But honestly i cant think of Crysis 2 will be this bad. And im sure there will be new material coming up for all platforms, maybe after the gold status..

BIG EDIT: IF this dont pleases u guys..then i dont know what could ever please you:
Crytek president and creative director, Cevat Yerli, has spoken about their upcoming New York-based first person shooter and how the traditional PC version is actually benefiting from its multiplatform development.

“You have to understand that the budget for Crysis was much lower than for Crysis 2,” he says. “We could spend much more on Crysis 2 because we expected to sell more through multiplatform development.”

PC-only gamers feeling like the PS3 and Xbox 360 are hampering videogame development can at least rest easy with Crysis 2. “PC gamers will get a better game out of that, it isn’t just take, it’s also give,” says Yerli.

Indeed, although screenshots of the PC version are still elusive (it’s been all 360 so far) that platform will still see one worthy of the much more capable graphics cards and larger memory capacities, and that it won’t be hamstrung by ‘console control systems’:

“Crysis 2 doesn’t suffer from that, in my opinion,” he says. “It’s superior [to Crysis] from every angle.”

[Christie Mitchell]

btw about the 6v6, i know its a bit offtopic but... CE3 or the engine in itself, it does support more than 12 players right? i mean imagine i had a mod team and we would like to make a mod with CE3 we would be able to make more than 12 players? if so i guess there is still hope on modders being able to change server sizes without too much lag and crashes

[Kerri Lee]

Hmmmh omg... all hell breaks loose... and im only 6 hours away

All this anger and all the hate just because of a 360 exclusive demo?
holy mother of god! I still dont know how could anybody get angry about the demo of a videogame?
Okay there is no Pc Demo or maybe there never will be one. Who cares? Just calm down!
If the PC/PS3 version will be crap then ( speaking for the german customers ) you have the right to get your money back. If it gets public that Crysis 2 gets brought back by the customers Crytek would be in deep trouble.
But honestly i cant think of Crysis 2 will be this bad. And im sure there will be new material coming up for all platforms, maybe after the gold status..

BIG EDIT: IF this dont pleases u guys..then i dont know what could ever please you:
Crytek president and creative director, Cevat Yerli, has spoken about their upcoming New York-based first person shooter and how the traditional PC version is actually benefiting from its multiplatform development.

“You have to understand that the budget for Crysis was much lower than for Crysis 2,” he says. “We could spend much more on Crysis 2 because we expected to sell more through multiplatform development.”

PC-only gamers feeling like the PS3 and Xbox 360 are hampering videogame development can at least rest easy with Crysis 2. “PC gamers will get a better game out of that, it isn’t just take, it’s also give,” says Yerli.

Indeed, although screenshots of the PC version are still elusive (it’s been all 360 so far) that platform will still see one worthy of the much more capable graphics cards and larger memory capacities, and that it won’t be hamstrung by ‘console control systems’:

“Crysis 2 doesn’t suffer from that, in my opinion,” he says. “It’s superior [to Crysis] from every angle.”

Have you read the thread? this isn't only about the demo, it's also about the pc community, which is crysis' original fanbase, being ignored, not having confirmation on things like a mod sdk.

[sarah taylor]

btw about the 6v6, i know its a bit offtopic but... CE3 or the engine in itself, it does support more than 12 players right? i mean imagine i had a mod team and we would like to make a mod with CE3 we would be able to make more than 12 players? if so i guess there is still hope on modders being able to change server sizes without too much lag and crashes

They cant tell u, there is no info about a SDK so far but my guess is it does cause a a major point of CE3 is licensing, it would be weird then if some company game: hey we want to make a 32v32 game can we haz engine please and then the answer would be: no it only supports 6v6, so im sure youll be fine;)

the only question is then when/if the SDK will come

[Kortknee Bell]

so there will be an longer support for crysis 2 ?
not the same game as crysis and cw?
sorry for this critical question.
There will be a lot of support for Crysis 2 both pre and post launch.

btw about the 6v6, i know its a bit offtopic but... CE3 or the engine in itself, it does support more than 12 players right? i mean imagine i had a mod team and we would like to make a mod with CE3 we would be able to make more than 12 players? if so i guess there is still hope on modders being able to change server sizes without too much lag and crashes
Yes CryENGINE 3 can support more than 12 players.

[Mario Alcantar]

Could you guys pick a title and stick with it, please? It's changing every ten minutes :p

[DarkGypsy]

I finished re-writing the original post now to keep it in sync more with the real problem at hand. If you feel that I ommitted something, feel free to PM me. I think I did a good job on it personally, but there is always room for improvement.

The poll stays down for now since anything that can be said, will be addressed through writing. We know the general opinion by now I think.

This is not only a fight for a multiplatform demo, but for the marketing and announcements in general to finally treat every system with the same amount of attention. Read the original post for the full idea at hand, here.

Keep up the support & questions guys!

Oh, and the title stays like this from here on out, DarkLite.

[Kahli St Dennis]

If crysis 2 on PC is even close to as modable as crysis 1 and has dedi's i guess will see 16v16(example) sooner that you can spell out: prophet is cool

[Michelle Chau]

Yep, i preordered the game in December for PS3. I'm getting slightly worried about this situation and i'm thinkin that i cancel my preorder. I have not seen single screenshot for ps3 version and it's getting me really worried. Maybe the ps3-version is so horrible that they want to hide it under the surface.

[Amysaurusrex]

Yep, i preordered the game in December for PS3. I'm getting slightly worried about this situation and i'm thinkin that i cancel my preorder. I have not seen single screenshot for ps3 version and it's getting me really worried. Maybe the ps3-version is so horrible that they want to hide it under the surface.

Copy-and-pasting posts from other threads really does nothing to contribute to this forum...

Thanks for all the info, Tom. I look forward to the next week. And if I see another "When we have any new info to give, you will see it first here on gamesas.com!" post, I will most likely go insane.

[Lexy Dick]

Just a couple of minor things that need fixing:

"Over the past 18 months of Crysis 2 and it's developmental process" - should be "its".

"We understand the need for a beta on the consoles, but undermining your general fanbase of what you promised is turning many potential customers away from Crysis 2. " - bit unclear, perhaps put "While we understand the need for a beta on the consoles, many potential customers are being turned away by the neglection of the PC / PS3 markets"?

Apart from that, great post!