Do we know whyhow the Dwemer died out? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:36 am

The five posts before that quote specifically show MK is referring to Solin, Allerleirauh, and most importantly, Xal's theory on how the Divine Skin was created as a Crux of Transcendence. It's all there for you to read. Or not. *shrug

Perhaps you should spell it out for me... as I don't see anything in that thread that supports the theory.

EDIT: I should clarify; I don't mean the Crux of Transcendence theory. That is well supported. And that makes sense; the Dwemer used the Heart and the Tools as a Crux of Transcendence with the Divine Skin as their shell. They committed mythic, racial suicide - absorbocide. That's what I'm saying. They anti-created themselves into a god using the Heart, the Tools, and Numididium, and then - like Lorkhan and the other gods of the Mundus before them - shattered into smaller soul-bits. Animunculi.

There's nothing there that indicates that they became the 'golden skin' of the Divine Skin.

» Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:53 am

The Dwemer becoming the golden skin is the perfect example of a "It's gonna get retconned" scenario. Once Beth run out of ideas they will bring the Dwemer back, probably during the conflict with the Thalmor or something.

» Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:48 pm

The Dwemer becoming the golden skin is the perfect example of a "It's gonna get retconned" scenario.

How is that a better scenario for a retcon than something else?

» Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:52 pm

Reading that post, I have to agree, I'm struggling to see how that supports the theory. I was expecting something concrete, that just looks like Rping.

» Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:23 pm

Perhaps you should spell it out for me... as I don't see anything in that thread that supports the theory.

EDIT: I should clarify; I don't mean the Crux of Transcendence theory. That is well supported. And that makes sense; the Dwemer used the Heart and the Tools as a Crux of Transcendence with the Divine Skin as their shell. They committed mythic, racial suicide - absorbocide. That's what I'm saying. They anti-created themselves into a god using the Heart, the Tools, and Numididium, and then - like Lorkhan and the other gods of the Mundus before them - shattered into smaller soul-bits. Animunculi.

There's nothing there that indicates that they became the 'golden skin' of the Divine Skin.

Sooo...you believe exactly the same thing except that their deification-by-soul-combination did not include becoming Numidium physically?

» Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:02 pm

These quotes are in the thread, further on.

Very. Pretty soon you get your own Stompy Robot. And cause absorbocide to your whole frikkin' race. Way to go, monkey.

Too late. You vanished. For eighty years your disappearance will be discussed in various lore threads because I hid crap in fake interviews in hard-to-find websites.

And what interview might he be talking about that he hid crap in that explains the disappearance? The interview with Xal and Skeleton Man, which the Elk quotes directly. Exasperatedly. And what do you suppose absorbocide means right after saying this?

"Kagrenac was devoted to his people, and the Dwarves, despite what you may have read, were a pious lot-he would not have sacrificed so many of their golden souls to create Anumidum's metal body if it were all in the name of grand theater. Kagrenac had even built the tools needed to construct a Mantella, the Crux of Transcendence."

Okay. So now everyone can stop posting about where the Dwarves went. I TOLD YOU EIGHTY YEARS AGO.

Filthy with it, I am.

After reading all that, which is absorbocide more likely to mean? Absorbed into the Anumidium metal body or into Dwemer Animunculi?

Honest to bloody gods, I'm filthy with it, too.

» Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:32 pm

After reading all that, which is absorbacide more likely to mean? Absorbed into the Anumidium metal body or into Dwemer Animunculi?

Honest to bloody gods.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1402722-dwemer-speculation/page__view__findpost__p__21387707

» Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:31 pm

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1402722-dwemer-speculation/page__view__findpost__p__21387707

I see, you're theory is that Numidium is some sort of Divine mortal and pestle designed to pulverize souls into smaller pieces, and that Animunculi are the result of this being used by the Dwarves. I don't see why you're clinging to this in the face of stronger evidence. Besides, Animunculi have been around long before the Battle of Red Mountain.

» Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:16 am

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1402722-dwemer-speculation/page__view__findpost__p__21387707

Great idea. Truly. It's also reaching. We can show that Dwemer were made into the metal body of the Anumidium, even if it is never stated that all of them are. Your theory is one more logical leap beyond what is given in the MK quotes already, that he says explains their disappearance. I'm not really inclined to make more logical leaps than needed, though I like the theory, as I've said.

And that's about it. Though I continue to really enjoy your writing, sincerely.

» Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:02 pm

It's also reaching.

Oh, agreed. I think it's better sourced than the 'golden skin' crap that flies around, though. And Eyesore's comments aren't exactly crystal.

» Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:38 pm

I think the 'golden skin' thing is just a combination of golden souls being used to create the metal body, and then the fact that the golem has a semi-goldish color to it, along with dwemer metal being a kinda goldish in general. More of loose connections than a direct statement.