I could have sworn I remember reading that they died because the gods got mad at thier technological advances.

Some of the scholars of the land speak of the "Brass God", however in all my travels through Tamriel I have heard little on this subject. What can you tell me of this?

Xal, a Human Maruhkati, Port Telvanis:

Ah. I will tell you the truth, because you will believe none of it. The Brass God is Anumidum, the Prime Gestalt. He is also called the divine skin. He was meant to be used many times by our kind to transcend the Gray Maybe.
The first to see him was the Shop Foremer, Kagrenac of Vvardenfell, the wisest of the tonal architects [Mechanists - MN] Do not think as others do that Kagrenac created the Anumidum for petty motivations, such as a refutation of the gods. Kagrenac was devoted to his people, and the Dwarves, despite what you may have read, were a pious lot-he would not have sacrificed so many of their golden souls to create Anumidum's metal body if it were all in the name of grand theater. Kagrenac had even built the tools needed to construct a Mantella, the Crux of Transcendence. But, by then, and for a long time coming, the Doom of the Dwarves marched upon the Mountain and they were removed from this world.
The second to see the Brass God was the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually as Zurin Arctus and Talos. The Oversoul was known to the world as Tiber Septim They gave birth to their Mantella, this time an embodiment of the healing of the Man/Mer schism, and, with it, Anumidum Walked. But, by then, and for a long time coming, One betrayed the Other, and the world shuddered as they split, and the Anumidum went berserk and created an Empire of Evil to house the malignant half of its soul.

And what of the Warp in the West, where it is said six Anumiduma were seen in six different places at once, each one carving out a different mortal's destiny? We could see that High Rock is unified no more, that the flags of Nova Orsinium are real, that the Sload Priests talk to their new God of Worms, and none of them serve the sick heir of the Septim line; we could see all this and know that it is true. This Warp is but a realization of the trap that is the Gray Maybe, and that champion of release, the Brass God, has but reminded us again what the failure of his misuse means in the Arena Mundus.

I was able to get the Dwemer books "The Egg of Time" and "Divine Metaphysics Adapted to the Meanest of Intellects" translated. "Divine Metaphysics" seems to be a treatise explaining how to create a new god through sorcery. "The Egg of Time" seems to be a refutation of the idea that linking to a divine source of power can be dangerous if interrupted. Though "The Egg of Time" refutes this idea, perhaps the author was wrong, and this is what happened to the Dwarves.

They became the golden skin of their self built, transdimensional robot god.
That's the most common theory, though.

Toesock, I'm still confused after that passage.

The Dwemer were attempting to reverse subgradience by combining their souls into an artificial construct, Numidium. Thus they would become a god. Whether or not they were successful is a matter of debate. I vote yes.

You won't find ultimate answers here, only theories.
I am staying with the golden skin thing for now, but the "Animunculi transformation" theory is interesting, too. Have to read it through.

The golden skin 'theory' is just a mash-up of the concepts of Dwemeri 'golden souls' and Numidium as the 'Divine Skin.' The phrase 'Numidium's golden skin' (or even 'golden skin' or 'skin of Numidium') does not appear in the Final Report, nor does it appear in any primary source.

Frankly, I really don't know where it even came from.

Dwemeri high priest Kagrenac then revealed that which he had built in the image of Vivec. It was a walking star, which burnt the armies of the Triune and destroyed the heartland of Veloth, creating the Inner Sea.

Each of the aspects of the ALMSIVI then rose up together, combining as one, and showed the world the sixth path. Ayem took from the star its fire, Seht took from it its mystery, and Vehk took from it its feet, which had been constructed before the gift of Molag Bal and destroyed in the manner of truth: by a great hammering. When the soul of the Dwemer could walk no more, they were removed from this world.

Actually, according to the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/loveletter-fifth-era-true-purpose-tamriel, the Numidium was an attempt at the final subgradient. Anti-creation was a means to an end.

"You in the Fourth Era have already witnessed many of the attempts at reaching the final subgradient of all AE, that state that exists beyond mortal death. The Numidium. The Endeavor. The Prolix Tower. CHIM. The Enantiomorph. The Scarab that Transforms into the New Man."



The golden skin 'theory' is just a mash-up of the concepts of Dwemeri 'golden souls' and Numidium as the 'Divine Skin.' The phrase 'Numidium's golden skin' (or even 'golden skin' or 'skin of Numidium') does not appear in the Final Report, nor does it appear in any primary source.

Frankly, I really don't know where it even came from.

What do you make of this? Of course it's not the traditional "golden skin" thing, but it sounds atleast like the Dwemer were put into Numidium somehow.
"When the soul of the Dwemer could walk no more"

I assume it comes from the Skeleton man interview which states pretty clearly that Numidium's body is constructed from the Dwemer's souls. The Final Report is fan-written so I don't see why that would lesson the legitimacy of the theory.

Hate to say it, but I saw MK confirm the golden skin theory back in the Loranna days personally.

It happens to be a rather uninteresting topic to me after all this time since Morrowind. Still, that quote really should have been archived, and I don't know why, of all the key Elk quotes, that it wasn't.

Because where's the fun in that? I like and believe the golden skin theory, but was actually angry when it was confirmed outright. Same with robo-Pelinal. Oh sure, the anger made me think I didn't like it then, but both ideas make the world seem more wonderous to me, now that I've realized a robot in Tamriel isn't quite what we mean by robots here.

Because where's the fun in that? I like and believe the golden skin theory, but was actually angry when it was confirmed outright. Same with robo-Pelinal. Oh sure, the anger made me think I didn't like it then, but both ideas make the world seem more wonderous to me, now that I've realized a robot in Tamriel isn't quite what we mean by robots here.

What do you mean by "robo"-Pelinal?

What do you mean by "robo"-Pelinal?

Well in the real world, a robot is a machine. In TES, it's something a bit different. Again, quotes or it didn't happen so if you don't like it well then feel free to tell me to stop flapping my [censored]-holster, but here goes.

The gist of it was that Pelinal is a god-robot from the future like Kinmune, hence his futuristic armor. The "Killing Light" of his hand is a laser beam. Of course, that doesn't make him any less a man or god than Alessia or Tiber. He just got there different. he was built rather than born, I like to think, and his rages are a sort of magical AI rampancy.

"Kagrenac was devoted to his people, and the Dwarves, despite what you may have read, were a pious lot-he would not have sacrificed so many of their golden souls to create Anumidum's metal body if it were all in the name of grand theater. Kagrenac had even built the tools needed to construct a Mantella, the Crux of Transcendence."

Okay. So now everyone can stop posting about where the Dwarves went. I TOLD YOU EIGHTY YEARS AGO.

Filthy with it, I am.

Well in the real world, a robot is a machine. In TES, it's something a bit different. Again, quotes or it didn't happen so if you don't like it well then feel free to tell me to stop flapping my [censored]-holster, but here goes.

To be honest, I never understood the theory of him being a time traveller.
Can you provide me with a link or something, kind sir? Pelinal Whitestrake is one of the things I really have to read up upon.

On the nature of Pelinal (09/23/07):[indent]
Re: Pelinal, his closest mythical model would be Gilgamesh, with a dash of a T-800 thrown in, and a full-serving of brain-fracture slaughterhouse antinomial (Kill)3 functions stuck in his hand or head. We tend to forgive those heroes.
And thousands of years of Good Coming From Bad, and/or whitewash, ignorance, shame, his Song being read by the Knights merely as fancy rather than right record, etc, might explain the Order's reluctance to villify or apologize for him. Plus, no one wants to gets smothered in their sleep by moths.[/indent]
That said, I sure would like to read the story of Alkosh whooping Pelinal's ass back to Cyrod when the Whitestrake's pogroms strayed too far into the Dragon-Cat's land.

Psyche. I take it back:


Would someone please archive this damn quote now?

Here's the link:

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/482103-made-up-word-round-up/page__p__6918676#entry6918676