KOTN Broken : IV

» Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:38 am

I used to play KOTN fine without any problem, but since I've reinstalled everything on my new PC and added a few more mods it appears to be so completely broken and buggy that it's unplayable. I know KOTN has several known bugs but what I've experienced goes above and beyond anything I've been able to find on UESP or on these forums or by googling. I must have installed something that's broken it, if someone could have a look at my load order so that at the very least I can rule out load order issues/conflicts before I start the drastic measure of uninstalling and reinstalling I'd be most grateful.

The problems I've had include:

1) After having to fight all the knights near the start of the questline, Sir Amiel doesn't rise from his 'dead' position. He can still engage in conversation, but this seems to mess up the end of the quest (see below).

2) When Geimund and Gukimir arrive at the priory they just sit on their horses forever in the courtyard (known bug although I've not experienced it before, fixed this using console commands found on UESP)

3) Massive lag (pretty much showstopping, down to 1 or 2 frames per second) experienced in the exterior cell(s) around the Priory once I got to about halfway through the questline

4) After killing Umaril in spirit form and returning to the Priory basemant I am stuck and unable to move, Sir Amiel is still lying in his 'dead' position (see above), and the quest end scene/dialogue that should occur at that point doesn't happen, I can't finish the quest or continue with the rest of my game. I tried using the console to move Sir Amiel within reach to see if I could trigger the necessary dialogue by activating him, but that didn't work.

Here is my load order:

Spoiler

? 00 Oblivion.esm
? 01 TR_OoT_Main.esm [Version 17]
? 02 Hammerfell.esm
? 03 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 04 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
? 05 Lamps of Oblivion Master.esm
? 06 CM Partners.esm
? 07 Armamentarium.esm
? 08 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.73]
? 09 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.10]
? 0A DLCShiveringIsles.esp
? 0B Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
? 0C Knights.esp
? 0D Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
? 0E DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
? 0F DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
? 10 DLCHorseArmor.esp
? 11 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
? 12 DLCThievesDen.esp
? 13 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
? 14 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]
? 15 DLCOrrery.esp
? 16 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]
? 17 DLCFrostcrag.esp
? 18 DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
? 19 DLCVileLair.esp
? 1A DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
? 1B DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
? 1C DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
? 1D DLCSpellTomes.esp
? 1E DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
? 1F Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
? 20 MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.73]
? 21 Mart's Monster Mod.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 22 Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 23 Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 24 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 25 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 26 Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 27 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp [Version 3.7b3p]
? 28 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 29 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 2A Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 2B Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 2C Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 2D Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 2E Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 2F Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 30 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 31 Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 32 Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 33 Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 34 Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
? 35 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.73]
? 36 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
? 37 CM Partners.esp
? 38 CrystalBall_Markers.esp
? 39 ArmamentariumLL.esp
? 3A ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp
? 3B ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp
? 3C Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp
? 3D Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp
? 3E Artefacts of the Ancestors.esp
? 3F mythsandlegends.esp
? 40 Vvardenfell_Imports.esp
? 41 gardening.esp
? 42 ArmoryLab.esp
? 43 ArmoryLab better armory.esp
? 44 Lamps of Oblivion.esp
? 45 mnp Nighteye Goggles.esp
? 46 doofdillas_potions_recolored_sorted_v0_3_1.esp [Version 0.3.1]
? 47 Leviathan Soulgems.esp
? 48 Princess Battlehorn.esp
? 49 Basemant for Cobl.esp
? 4A Basemant for Cobl - Sheep Wool addition.esp
? 4B Quest Award Leveller.esp [Version 2.0.1]
? 4C Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp [Version 2.1.0]
? 4D Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp [Version 2.1.0]
? 4E Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp [Version 2.1.0]
? 4F P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]
? 50 Dude Wheres My Horse.esp
? 51 Reznod_Mannequin.esp
? 52 RealisticLeveling.esp
? 53 Smarter Mercantile Leveling - Multi.esp
? 54 BeldaElysium.esp
? 55 Castle Ravenpride.esp [Version 1.01]
? 56 bartholm.esp
? 57 Damarask.esp [Version 1.02]
? 58 HeartOftheDead.esp [Version 6.2]
? 59 300_White Stallion 4.esp
? 5A Quest For The Elements.esp
? 5B TOTF.esp
? 5C Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
? 5D BrumaMGRestored.esp
? 5E BrumaMGRestored-Frostcrag.esp
? 5F Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52]
? 60 Cobl Races - Balanced.esp [Version 1.52]
? 61 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
? 62 EnchantmentRestore.esp
? 63 ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp
? 64 Regrowing Nirnroot - Normal Plant.esp [Version 1.01]
? 65 ReneersTrainingMod.esp
? 66 Krystina's Adjusted IngredWeight.esp
? 67 Krystina's EnchantArchMageRobeHood.esp
? 68 Krystina's EnchantTweakAndPotionConsumption.esp
? 69 Krystina's MiscTweaks.esp
? 6A Krystina's NecromancerRewardsMod.esp
? 6B Unlimited Amulets 1.0.esp
? 6C Unlimited Rings 1.0.esp
? 6D Toaster's Legendary Mastery.esp [Version 3.44]
? 6E Toaster's Legendary Skills & Stats.esp [Version 3.44]
? 6F FF_Real_Thirst.esp
? 70 FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp
? ++ moremerchantmoneyv1.1.esp
? 71 Real Hunger, Cobl.esp [Version 1.6.1]
? 72 HammerfellBorders.esp
? 73 The Lost Spires.esp
? ++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
* 74 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:46 am

i dont see a bashed patch, try getting that in there and rebuilding it.

» Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:21 pm

i dont see a bashed patch, try getting that in there and rebuilding it.

Ah that's because I C+P'd my load order list from the report that you get after you rebuild the bashed patch so it wasn't in the text I copied, it doesn't seem to include itself in that report - I have been using it all along, rebuilding it regularly, and it is at the very end of my load order (and those items marked by ++ are merged into my bashed patch). Sorry, I should have noticed it wasn't included in my cut & paste and manually added it at the end of my list, I'll edit the original post for clarity.

» Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:36 pm

Use BOSS to sort your load order, has I can tell that is not in order.

Has Cobl.esm should be loading before MMM.esm..

Get the updated Version of MMM Diverse WaterLife from Post 3 in MMM Thread

» Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:23 pm

Use BOSS to sort your load order, has I can tell that is not in order.

Has Cobl.esm should be loading before MMM.esm..

Get the updated Version of MMM Diverse WaterLife from Post 3 in MMM Thread

Okeydoke, I will give BOSS a try - I've only recently started heavily modding my Oblivion game (more experienced with Morrowind!) and have been enjoying the ease of use of OBMM and getting to grips with Wrye Bash, but haven't yet ventured into the realms of BOSS - obviously it's time to do so.

I saw there was an updated Diverse Waterlife but keep forgetting to get it, I'll download it now.

Thanks for the tips!

» Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:17 pm

Some people had reported issues with KOTN and Reneer's Guard Overhaul(but am not sure what version was supposed to conflict) and also with DR5 if you sliced the knights into half. I didn't see both of these in your LO though...

» Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:31 am

Some people had reported issues with KOTN and Reneer's Guard Overhaul(but am not sure what version was supposed to conflict) and also with DR5 if you sliced the knights into half. I didn't see both of these in your LO though...

No, not using those!

It's a real puzzle, and nothing else (except from overfilling a container and causing a CTD) has caused me any major trouble in 200+ hours of play, even if my load order isn't perfect. And yes I have checked for save game bloat and abomb using Wrye Bash, apparently neither are an issue in my current save. I might try again with KOTN at the end of my load order and see if it works, but it's a long questline to go through again on a hunch and find it might not work anyway!

Thank you to everyone who has made suggestions, if anyone has any other ideas I'd be grateful if you could share them. Ta xx