I admit I haven't done it with the latest beta. I did with beta 2 and got lots of stuff. Perhaps that's what zaldir meant when he talked about fixing the Worldspace bug, but a lot of the stuff I found previously didn't seem to be related to that. Perhaps zaldir just didn't mention ALL the fixes he made

The mod does have a lot of identical to master, but those are needed for the mod to work...
Kvatch Rebuilt changes a lot of vanilla stuff to rebuild Kvatch.

The Master should be clean now, yes.

Umm - correct me if I'm wrong but identical to master records would mean then that the records are exactly the same as in the Oblivion.esm ... that would mean that you are not changing Kvatch as those records are the same as the Oblivion.esm ...that is destroyed.

I don't believe that any duplicate records were required of the v1 edition of the mod to work.

Again I could be wrong but my understanding is that identical to master records (ITM) are not necessary unless there is another mod that loads earlier that changes these records to other than vanilla content and your mod needs to change them back. In such cases then the esp that would change content back to vanilla is often made dependent on the esp that alters vanilla.

So is this not the case with this mod? - that is a lot of records being duplicated.

I was under the impression that if you moved a reference (like, move a rock our of the way), it would be identical to master still?
But I am not good with these things at all, so you are probably right..

You know I was going to look up what I was trying to convey, but really I should just ask Arthmoor or Vorians - they would explain it much better than I could. I'm no expert on the difference between an object and the reference to it - especially in light of this topic. As I understand it if the entry truly is the same as the original then no need for duplicating it. If you moved the rock then the placement may change but no need to have a copy of the rock and its new placement - just the new placement. But again I could be explaining this all wrong.

It is doubtful that any mod in most peoples load order would edit the same areas and load prior to this (or after) that would result in conflicts.

The automated process of Tes4edit is generally considered to be pretty safe bet for cleaning mods with these kinds of edits. The original Kvatch Rebuilt is a mod that is on the http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide#List_of_Mods_Needing_Cleaning with this method.

As I understand it things should work even with them cleaned, but I've not got a game set up to test that right this second.

Okay, I've removed ITM's in the esp, and it seems to be working. (Using Remove Identical to Master only removed 36 records though.)
Now I'm just fixing Ignar's AI so he will return.

Well at the risk of overkill here is what tes4edit cleaned when I ran it with only the esm loaded as well:
Identical
Processed Records: 8228 Removed Records: 894 Elapsed Time: 00:00
Deletions
[Undeleting and Disabling References done] Processed Records: 7334 Undeleted Records: 6 Elapsed Time: 00:00

Psymon asked me to drop by... so....

Ran the master for beta 3 through tes4edit, comes up with 0 ITM records.
It does however throw this when doing the deletions check:

Error getting position for "[REFR:01018BA4] (places MiddleTable01 [STAT:000008EC] in GRUP Cell Temporary Children of KRStage5CastleDungeon "Kvatch Castle Dungeon" [CELL:01018B4D])": Could not convert variant of type (Null) into type (Double)

The reference when viewed has corrupted coordinate data. It should be removed from the file and if the table it references goes missing, that table should obviously be replaced. I don't know if this is going to cause anything more than this error report. It probably won't bother the game, but the table is probably not where you expect.

The ESP from beta 3 reports:
[Removing "Identical to Master" records done] Processed Records: 8228 Removed Records: 894 Elapsed Time: 00:00

All of which are definitely identical to what's in the KR master. This behaves the same way as identical records from Oblivion.esm. They are exactly the same in every way, and serve no real purpose. Unlikely they'd cause compatibility issues but they should still be removed to reduce resource usage tracking record modifications that aren't necessary.

And of course:
[Undeleting and Disabling References done] Processed Records: 7334 Undeleted Records: 6 Elapsed Time: 00:00

Those should be dealt with to for the usual reasons.

It's generally a good idea to run things through tes4edit before each release. The CS is awful about this stuff.

Oh yeah that is what I was missing - identical to master in Kvatch esm not just Oblivion esm - what I get for trying to explain myself at 4 in the morning.

thanks Arthmoor

This is what I get when removing ITMs:
[Removing "Identical to Master" records done] Processed Records: 8195 Removed Records: 0 Elapsed Time: 00:00

And when Undeleting:
[Undeleting and Disabling References done] Processed Records: 8195 Undeleted Records: 0 Elapsed Time: 00:00

That is what I got with the master - I was referring to the esp.

if it is the esp - perhaps you already cleaned and forgot.

The ESM has 16000+ records, so that 8195 can't be for that.

Also, 8195 doesn't match the record count on a cleaned copy of the ESP we got with the beta 3 download.

It looks like you've got a different version of the file to work from Zaldir. The cleaned ESP shows this when reprocessed:
[Removing "Identical to Master" records done] Processed Records: 7334 Removed Records: 0 Elapsed Time: 00:00

Okay, I don't know why, but when I removed the "TES4Edit.modgroups" file from the TES4Edit folder, it all worked...
(May also have been something else I did, as I've done a lot when trying to fix this^^)

Yeah, you definitely do NOT want to select any modgroups when doing cleaning. You need to be careful about selecting them. Sometimes they are handy because they filter out conflicts between certain groups of mods, so you can focus on other things. However sometimes you need to see those conflicts... Personally I never use them because I use TES4Edit for a lot of editing and I don't want it filtering stuff out for me. Warrudar has a pretty good explanation of what they do and how they can be used in the TES4Edit thread.

I'll send some instructions along in a pm.

It's been so long since I've even seen a prompt for modgroups I forgot they exist.

Okay, http://www.zaldir.net/Download/Kvatch%20Rebuilt%202.0%20B4.7z
This, as always requires the resources from http://www.zaldir.net/Download/Kvatch%20Rebuilt.7z

This cleans the mod, making it less buggy, laggy, and more "compatible-safe" (New word?)
Ingar should also go back to Kvatch once he has delivered his note. (And he shouldn't appear until the Kvatch Rebuilt Quests are done.)

Probably more minor changes, but this is all I can remember^^

Zaldir: I've recently finished a tiny project aimed a fixing a flaw in using Kvatch Rebuilt alongside TES4LODGen. http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1175119-quick-question/

My question to you is, are you okay with those files existing? Do you have a fix planned for Kvatch Rebuilt down the road that will eliminate the problem that the above mod works around?

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but your ESM is editing vanilla Oblivion interior cells which is something it can't be doing.

KvatchTent02, KvatchTentSavlianMatius, and KvatchTent01 are adding reference info to doors. Those edits need to be handled by the ESP or the cells you're touching will have no objects or interior meshes.

That's in the beta 4 download btw.

Thanks to Arthmoor for correcting the errors in the BETA that made it unplayable.

BETA 5 has now been released, which fixes the errors that made it unplayable.

Timing! Just sent you a PM on one I missed which still renders it unplayable unfortunately. Guess there'll be a beta 6 soon?

haha, I'll upload it right away, thanks!

Arthmoor's fix is now up!
Both files are required unless you already have a previous BETA, then only the hotfix is required.

Download:
The mod requires Shivering Isles.

Both files are required to run, unless you have a previous BETA. If you do, only the Hot-fix is required!!

http://www.zaldir.net/Download/KRU%20BETA%205%20FULL.7z
http://www.zaldir.net/Download/KRU%20BETA%205%20Hot-Fix%201.7z

Thanks a lot, Zaldir!

Thanks Zaldir!

I hope it works for everyone now, and that everyone that tests it send me some feedback.
You'll find the mail in the readme or in my profile.