To be honest, I only read the first page, then skipped here to comment because I didn't have the attention span to read all your posts. And I haven't played NV, so you don't have to mind me.

I just wanted to say: Leave out filling up large parts of the map to leave room for DLCs and modders? Seriously!? That's no excuse for not making a complete game... shame. That's probably not their reasons, but what could be? Laziness?

Anyway, don't mind me. I'll try to shut up till I've actually played the game from now on.

Let's not be extreme the game is complete and improved - its just that it doesn't have the strong exploration aspect that boosted its replay, roleplaying and gameplay in general, value that FO3 had - at least for the half of us i guess.

so im getting the feeling that the people who want more stuff in the "wasted" space would complain if they actually put something there because it was cool enough and if it was cool enough they would complain that it was to cool and if was to cool they would want it less cool basically im saying that people will always complain because they find it fun.

They can use that for DLC.

This is what I worry about; the game's story and characters are great but I am on my second playthrough and I am already feeling that there is less replayability than in FO3. The different faction reps do necessitate multiple playthroughs to get the whole story, but the CL one at least is pretty short.

I'm not too worried, because I think modders will add in plenty of replayability, but it definitely feels a bit shallower than FO3 in these terms as well.

If this game was an exact representation of vegas then the "strip" would be 50x bigger with 50x more rubble everywhere I'm talking HUGE casino BUILDINGS. There's none of that. It's a game, it takes place in a semi-realistic environment. Not the real thing, duno why people compare it to the real thing. My disappointment is that it failed my expectations content-wise. Everything feels more barren then it should be. Granted going in the desert isn't exactly filled with stuff. But the areas that have civilizations are a lot bigger than the ones we see in FNV. Maybe the occasional landmark gas station out there would be all alone and the occasional farm. But ??? Not on the extend that it is in FNV.

But that wasn't my point. My point was that there's about 50% of the map that is not being used for anything. That doesn't make much sense to me.

"omg im so startled, arent you startled sharon?"

Many people do that yes.

That's not the case here though. Lack of content is an obvious flaw to many, Others may not feel this way. But let's not comment on those who comment.



stop it you south park troll!!

hahaha im freaking startled out of my mind! ahhh

I think it worth mentioning that, despite how I feel about there being fewer places to really -explore-... that I don't really think that there is LESS to enjoy about the game. In fact, I think it quite superior to Fallout 3 in most-if-not-all ways. I even understand that it is realistic to have the desert be fairly barren. The places they DID put in all feel solid, if lacking in persons to occupy them... but again, I say that it is quite superior to Fallout 3 in that regard as well.


What Fallout 3 provides, which New Vegas does not, is -vastness-.


Fallout 3 was a VAST wasteland of destruction and death, which encouraged the player to go out to all the farthest flung edges and find what was there.

New Vegas is a contained, barren desert landscape. It could have greatly benefited from the developers expanding the game map... rather than just 'peppering' in locations. There ARE cities and villages and old ghost towns out there in the desert. There -is- plenty to see, if you know where to look. I can only guess as to what will be out there by 2077.

But again... I love what I have. I just want -more-.

If you mean by being surrounded by a valley of invisible walls, then I agree!

50% of the map isn't being used. The other 50% that IS being used was pathetic. I mean what's so hard to understand about this folks?

Because it is subjective, and not everyone has the same opinion as you?

What exactly is subjective if you don't mind me asking?

Is it not a fact that 50% of the map is NOT being being utilized?

Is it not a fact that there are no desecrated building//city type locations, no large large towns?

Is it not a fact that the miniscule towns only have about 10% of enterable locations while the rest are bordered up wastes of space?

Is it not a fact that there are medium sized buildings secluded from everything else simply plumped in the middle of nowhere in about 65% of the explorable region?

If so, please prove me wrong. I'll be waiting with screenshots and proof that its fact.

Again, what is subjective ????? I'm not seeing what is subjective here.

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You're right.

I've spent the last 49 hours, on one character, spinning around in circles and staring at the ground. Why? 'Cause I'm just that stupid.

:rolleyes:

I don't think you understand what the word "opinion" means. Here's the dictionary definition(s):

–noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second Medical opinion.
4. Law . the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.

I'll just let you pick whichever one suits your fancy.

What is this comment supposed to be in regards to my counter-post towards your "subjective post" ? Are you going to defend it at all or are you simply submitting to defeat, posting mindless and irrelevant garbage when you are proved wrong?

It's subjective because I, along with many other people, do not feel you are right. Therefore, it is opinion.

YOU may feel that the map is wasted. I, on the other hand, feel that it is used well. Rarely does an RPG enthrall me so much as FNV has, as witnessed by the exorbitant amount of time I have spent playing the game. Now, you may think that I'm just lying, or that there is no way in hell that I could have kept myself entertained in this so called "terrible" game, yet somehow I've managed to play for nigh 50 hours, and those 50 hours weren't spent looking at the ground, spinning in circles. I was doing things. Killing people. Exploring the map. Doing quests. You name it, I have done it. And I still got a bunch more to do.

oh btw.. maybe theres nothing there because theres mountains? kind hard to build [censored] on steep mountains...

Never knew a 3 foot high boulder had invisible walls in real life either. I can highlight the mountain area for you if you want, these so called "mountains" are no more than 5 foot tall rocks.

wtf does a 3 foot boulder have to do with a hundreds of feet tall mountains? was i talking about that 3 foot boulder? dont believe so

Not much left of this thread except some flames and flamebaiting.

I guess it's up in smoke.