Sooooo...long story short I just got back from a pub. I am not drunk. Gastropub, birthday meal.

Anyway there was this waitress I found really attractive , and when we're paying the bill mid-conversation about Amsterdam she chimes in: 'oh yeah, I went there once, they had these live six shows.' Me having put on a bit of weight since I could get away with lines like this asks: 'have you ever starred in one, I don't remember seeing you?' Got her number, couple sentences later. Texted just now. It's her.

Women, girls...what the hell are they teaching you? That ain't right

How classy.

Disagree wholeheartedly. Ladies, please lower your standards. Not all of us have game like gallowglass

See that's the kind of acid test I use to find out if I'm going to get on with someone. If we can talk filth (really scouring the bottom of the barrel) within quarter of a hour of meeting then I know I'm going to get on well with someone.

Sisters though... sisters are the challenge.

So, wait, you find an open minded woman who is comfortable with her sixuality and you think this is a problem?

Or, do you have an issue that she found you attractive?

My guess is neither.

He just felt the need to brag somewhere.

Wait, am I reading this right? You talked to some chick, exchanged numbers, now she has acted interested..... and that's a problem? That's bass-ackwards for this place.

Just 'cause the two of you talked a little dirty at the start doesn't seem to be that odd nowadays. Hell, I knew a girl who would start talking waaay dirty with anyone, even me although I had no interest in her.

Tell me about it! How do you show attraction to them without coming across as a creep or have them tell mom?

Heh, okay, this isn't the place for stories... Sharing a pub tale I thought'd get a titter or two. Nothing more.

This.

I think the OP expects women to be nuns or something.

That's not the problem, it's that you're complaining women are open about their sixuality. It's almost like going to a burger joint and saying "Those were good burgers, you guys should charge more though."

If I only wanted women who weren't open about their sixuality, I'd have practically no sixuality of my own.

Where was it ever implied in anything that what she said was the problem?

Think the title of the thread should be a clue.

You enticed her because you showed you too were open about six, it's no different than had the rolls been reversed, I'm sure you'd have given her your number had she been doing the banter.

im pretty sure it is impossible for women to raise their standards any higher, at least women who are under 30. Every girl ive met has had a long list of "requirements" of what you have to be or change about yourself in order to not be a creep when asking them out.

100% reason why I ignore the whole muck about men being to judgemental about weight thing, women are 10 times worse about it to men. And im not even a short guy like an old friend of mine, he will never get a date with any one his age or isn't desperate.

That's the fun part!

Oddly my favourite though was when they decided to outdo each other in who could be a bigger disgrace and to make me give in and concede that I'd been outdone - there's something brilliantly attractive to me about a woman that has the sense of humour and the skills to communicate it to make a room silent with shock, I find it both hugely entertaining and oddly impressive. If you're being purposefully revolting to make someone feel uncomfortable or demean them then I think it's possible to pick up on it and that where the creepy comes in. If you're saying it for the shock or humour value without the intent to make someone feel bad then it can work. I find that extroverted and naughty type of personality so much more attractive than someone that is overly diplomatic and makes a painful effort to appear correct. Sure there's a place for diplomacy or middle of the road inoffensive and overly sensitive but treating it as the default mode just makes me snooze. I'd much rather someone says what's on their mind and make it clear whether we're going to get on. If you find that spark then you just want to find out more and more. See how you can push one another to laugh and find out more about each other, admittedly through a distinctly naughty lens!

I'm an only child so the dynamics that exist between siblings have always been oddly fascinating to me. I think a lot of it (at least for me) comes down to how you communicate. If you try to mask your sense of humour, your intentions and how people perceive you then I find it to be both dishonest and an utter waste of time for when they find out what you're really like. I know that my temper is quick to boil, I know that I have a generally filth geared sense of humour so I'm upfront about it. At the same time I can be hugely supportive and able and willing to be hugely empathic - I just enjoy being an impish little **** more, when you meet someone that has that same bias then sparks fly and that is fantastic.

When you have siblings there's generally a tighter bond between them - if you want to get on with one, you're going to need the approval of the other.

Best way I can think of to illustrate it is there is a friend that I have in South Florida, more like a little sister really. I was put in touch with her for the purpose of winding her up but given that she was having a rough time I picked up on that and wanted to help her out instead. We got to know one another really well, I thought for a little while at the beginning that there might be a romantic relationship as a possibility but it wasn't the way that it was going to work. We're stronger friends than ever, nearly a decade on, share the same disgraceful sense of humour and I got a brilliant holiday staying with her as well People were confused as to why I'd travel thousands of miles to meet up with her, she's awesome. I love her dearly and we just *get* each other. I'm hoping to be able to get out there for her wedding. It's going to come down to the cost though unfortunately. Finding those personalties that match or go well with your own - be it friendship or romance is the challenge. A fun one, but a challenge still

Amazing legs also draw me like a moth to a flame combine that with the impish nature and heeeelloooooooo!

Can't believe this has to be deconstructed, but:

The thing I found surprising (not bad, or wrong - at no point was that implied) was that she was still interested after me clumsily blurting out I hadn't seen her in public porm.

How short are we talking? I've only really seen it's less than 5'6 that has the problem, most girls I know just want someone taller than them. And usually it's want, not require.

Yes please..lower them..

he's like 5'4 or 5'5. pretty short, he used to get picked on really bad about it too as he used to get super emotional when he had to deal with height challenged situations.

excluding mature minded women, all wants are requirements. until you are attractive and or rich.

My standards are practically non-existent. Come at me.

(unless you're gross)

That svcks for him, honestly. Even at 5'10 you get stick for being the short one these days. If it's any consolation, it's not an absolute deal-breaker, a lot of women's type is guys smaller than them and as there aren't many he's top of the pile.

If that was going to put her off, she probably wouldn't have started talking about Dutch six shows.

I'm 5'4 and obviously been getting the short comments all my life. Having witty quick come backs are often a savior. I've also dated a lot of woman in my past and having self confidence is always what draws them in. I am far from perfect but comfortable in who I am in all aspects of life. That being said size doesn't matter at least its actually worked in my favor.

Thing is, I normally stand at about 5'7, but I slouch so bad that when I stand up straight I'm six foot tall

I remember when this little rat of a teenager tried to square up to me once and I unfolded into my final form in front of him. Or should I say above him.

This. I was amazed when I found out I was 5'10. A lot of my friends are well in excess of 6'0 though (couple 6'3, one 6'9) so round here it doesn't really count for much. Still the short one.

I like you. You talk sense

why should we raise our standards?..maybe we wanna [censored] at random too!