Lagging during initialization : IV

» Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:19 am

Hey folks. Been following http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=first_run_guide and Blade of Mercy's http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1079933-50-steps-to-ctd-almost-free-fcom-game/page__p__15725164#entry15725164 guides.

I used BOSS. I turned the esm/esp's on one by one and had no problems loading the game until I made the bashed patch.

I made the patch and suddenly the game hangs indefinitely before I get to the main menu. I assume it would normally CTD but the crash protection keeps it hanging maybe.

I have OBSE 19b, Pluggy, Stutter remover, weOCPS, Wrye bash 290, Obmm extended 10.11.15, everything is installed via omod. I have no idea what the problem is. My next course of action is to slim my bash patch down, but I am not sure how effective that's going to be at narrowing down the culprit.

Here's my load order:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 Jog_X_Mod.esm
02 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.0]
03 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 4.5bSI]
04 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 4.5bSI]
05 MD_Saddle_Master.esm
06 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
07 Qarls_Harvest.esm
08 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
09 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
0A TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
0B FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
0C Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]
0D Artifacts.esm [Version 1.1]
0E Hemingweys Capes Improved.esm [Version 3.0b]
0F Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
10 Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 4.8.4]
11 Toaster Says Share v3.esm
12 HorseCombatMaster.esm
** Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53]
** Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53]
13 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.1]
14 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
15 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
++ Shivering OOO.esp
16 Better Cities .esp
17 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
18 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
19 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
1A Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1B FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1C Atmospheric Loading Screens - Random Quotes.esp
1D Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
1E All Natural.esp [Version 1.1]
1F All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.0]
20 Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.7]
21 Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp [Version 0.7]
22 Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp
++ Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp [Version 0.1]
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
23 MIS.esp
24 MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
25 Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
26 Storms & Sound.esp
27 Rainbows.esp
28 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.1]
29 AliveWaters.esp
2A AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
2B AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
2C autosavertest.esp
2D Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp
2E Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp
2F Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
++ Cobl Bookjackets.esp
30 ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
31 Chapel Tithe.esp
32 ImprovedSigns.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Less Creepy Guild Porters.esp
33 Medic!.esp
34 PTFallingStars.esp
35 RAEVWD Cities.esp [Version 1.9]
36 RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.6.1]
37 RAEVWD Imperial City.esp [Version 1.9]
38 Reznod_Mannequin.esp
39 RoadSigns.esp
3A Doomstones Expanded.esp
3B Slof's Oblivion Pillow Book.esp
3C SoT_Holiday.esp
3D Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 4.2.2]
3E FF_Real_Thirst.esp
3F DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4]
40 DS Time Manager.esp [Version 1.1]
41 FormID Finder4.esp
42 Get Wet.esp
43 NameThatHorse.esp
44 P1DmenuEscape.esp
45 Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp
46 Landmarks, w Wells.esp [Version 1.11]
47 HouseMapMarkersOnlyBought.esp
48 Enhanced Hotkeys.esp [Version 2.1.1]
49 DLCHorseArmor.esp
** DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
4A DLCOrrery.esp
4B DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]
4C DLCVileLair.esp
4D DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
4E P1DseeYouSleep.esp
4F P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp
50 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
51 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
52 DLCSpellTomes.esp
++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
** Book Jackets DLC.esp
** GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp
++ CM_Better Wine_SI.esp
++ FineWeapons.esp
++ RustyItems.esp
53 Slof's Amazon Armour.esp
54 Slof's Boners! v5.esp
55 Slof's Neckchains.esp
56 Universal_Armor_Stands.esp
57 Thieves Arsenal.esp
++ Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp
58 XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp
** Armamentium female.esp
** Slof's Horses Base.esp
** Slof's Extra Horses.esp
59 Mounted_Steering.esp
5A Mounted_Spellcasting.esp
5B Mounted_Trampling.esp
5C Dude Wheres My Horse.esp
5D MD Saddlebags v3.0.esp
5E MD Saddlebags v3.0 Alternative Trader Script.esp
5F MELF_HorseSanity.esp
60 SellHorses.esp
61 Zira's Medieval Horse Clothes.esp
62 DLCThievesDen.esp
63 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
64 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]
65 KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp [Version 1.2]
++ FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp [Version 0.9.9]
66 Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
67 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
68 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
69 FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp
6A Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
6B FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
6C Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]
6D Oblivion WarCry EV.esp [Version 1.08a]
6E FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
6F Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.32.Final]
++ OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.esp [Version 0.5]
70 Hemingweys Capes Improved for FCOM.esp [Version 3.0b]
++ Hemingweys FCOM NPC Capes Improved IC Guards.esp [Version 3.0b]
++ Hemingweys Capes for FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 3.0b]
** OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0]
** OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0]
71 OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.0]
++ ArmamentariumLL.esp [Version 1.35]
++ ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp [Version 1.35]
++ ArmamentariumLLMagic.esp [Version 1.35]
72 ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.35]
++ ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp [Version 1.35]
73 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
74 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
75 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
76 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
77 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
78 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_LessRats.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_NoSpiders.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
79 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
7A Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
7B Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
7C Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
7D Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
7E Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
7F Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
80 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
81 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp [Version 1.40Alpha]
82 TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
83 TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
84 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
** FCOM_Archery_Armamentarium.esp
++ FCOM_Archery_Artifacts.esp
** FCOM_Archery_RealSwords.esp
++ FCOM_Archery_MMM_H&C.esp
** FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
85 FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp [Version 0.9.9]
86 FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]
++ ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]
** Fransfemale.esp
87 OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]
++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]
88 cyrodiil transportation network 1.3 wz.esp
89 Imperial Furniture Renovated.esp
8A Artifacts.esp [Version 1.1]
** ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp
++ Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp [Version 1.0]
8B BHC_Expanded.esp [Version 1.2]
8C Dairanath Avari - male Companion.esp
8D Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
++ Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
8E Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
8F GlenvarCastle.esp
90 LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5]
91 tchos' breakfast food.esp
92 thievery.esp
93 thievery - EE patch.esp [Version 4.2]
94 VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
95 Zira's Clydesdale Horses.esp [Version 1.1]
96 Zira's Battle Horse Shop.esp
97 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
98 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
99 Z's Skeleton Horse.esp
9A DLCFrostcrag.esp
** DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
9B Knights.esp
9C Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
9D SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp [Version 1.30]
9E RTT.esp
9F RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1]
A0 Mighty Umbra.esp
A1 Blood&Mud.esp
A2 Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp [Version 4.2]
A3 Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
A4 AFK_Weye.esp [Version 2.2.COBL]
A5 MannimarcoRevisited.esp
A6 MannimarcoWardrobeChest.esp
A7 Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp [Version 0.9.9]
A8 FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++ FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9]
A9 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3]
AA xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
AB bartholm.esp
AC bartholm - EE patch.esp [Version 4.2]
AD Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
AE Cliff_CountyNames.esp [Version 1.1]
AF CompanionHorseSupport.esp
B0 DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp
B1 DS Less Predictable Respawn.esp [Version 1.1]
B2 DS Portable Sorters.esp [Version 1.3]
B3 DS Storage Sacks.esp [Version 1.3]
++ AlmostNoRandomOBGates.esp
B4 P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]
B5 PersuasionOverhaul.esp [Version 1.43]
++ PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp [Version 1.2]
++ PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp [Version 1.2]
B6 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
++ ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp
B7 Enhanced Vegetation [150%].esp
** SRJIrresponsibleHorses.esp
B8 Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.1.1]
B9 Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
BA Alter Weight Spells - MM.esp
BB SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90]
BC SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]
++ SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.80]
++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.86]
BD SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80]
++ SM_VanillaSpells.esp [Version 0.86]
++ SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70]
++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]
++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.83]
BE MidasSpells.esp
BF attack and hide medium v2.1.esp
C0 Deadlier Sneaking 1.1.esp
C1 Skeleton Key Revised.esp [Version 2.0]
C2 ZumbsLockpickingMod - OBSE.esp
** RenGuardOverhaul.esp
C3 Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp
C4 Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp
C5 Oblivion XP.esp [Version 4.1.5]
C6 Slof's sixy Anims.esp
C7 SP1stPLegs.esp
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Spire Revisited.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Better Looking Redguards-Mergeable.esp
C8 Better Looking Wood Elves COBL.esp
C9 Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp
++ AMB.esp
CA Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52]
** TamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.esp
CB bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgMagicItemSigil.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgMagicEVStartspells.esp [Version 1.68EV]
CC bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
CD bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.68EV]
CE bgMagicAlchemy.esp [Version 1.57]
CF bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp [Version 1.68UV]
++ Cobl Races - Balanced.esp [Version 1.52]
D0 Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp [Version 4.8.4]
D1 Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp [Version 4.8.0]
D2 Better Imperial City.esp [Version 4.8.4]
D3 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2.1]
D4 MM_NoMoreAnnoyingMessages.esp [Version 1.2]
D5 bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
** FCOM_Archery.esp
D6 MassA.I-50.esp
D7 DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp
D8 Real Hunger, Cobl.esp [Version 1.6.1]
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
D9 Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01]
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.1]
DA Bashed Patch, 0.esp

219/319

I have been working on this for weeks and it's driving me crazy. What am I overlooking? =[

» Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:51 am

I honestly hope you can get it sorted out. Unfortunately, the way you've gone about it - someone else's guide notwithstanding - means you're wide open for this kind of result, basically.

Installing one or two things at a time, then testing, and repeating until you're done, is the best way to go. Not installing lots of stuff, then turning on ESPs/ESMs one by one, or whatever.

If it's too tangled, I suggest starting again from scratch, with a very different approach. Like, following the FCOM thread's instructions to the letter, and getting that working first (i.e., basic FCOM, with a bashed patch, as *required*, as in fact *stated* there).

Also, maybe try BAIN installation/configuration. A little more reading/learning *at first*, but wow, do you save yourself a lot of trouble later, inevitably. Like, say, your situation. Even if you'd managed to be here, using BAIN, you could very easily wind back as much as you wanted, without worrying about a thing. Very simple process, and you can see everything that's happeneing, in detail.

But hey, to each their own.

Best of luck, whatever you decide.

» Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:43 pm

I tested after each mod. It's only the bashed patch that isn't working, and I tested that halfway through when TESPositive's guide said so (with FCOM mergeables). It has to be a problem with the merged or imported files.

I'm now going through and building the bashed patch from the last known working one and adding in the other merged files mod by mod. I was just hoping that someone could look over my list and see if there was anything obvious.

I tried to do this right, that's why I followed the most recommended guides. I don't think it's necessary to start over in this situation. Thanks for the advice.

» Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:42 pm

Item Interchange should load directly before the BP.

Do you need to load both the COBLized Better Cities and the Full version?

Did you recently change your loading order, or add more mods? If so, did you go to your Saves tab in Wrye Bash, click your latest saved game, click the mods list on the right under File, and then click the Save button underneath?

Have you checked over the check marks in your BP? Is there anything you might have accidentally checked that refers to a mod you've removed? (Some references don't go away. I had this happen to me, once.)

» Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:48 pm

I did the Item Interchange by BOSS's rules, but adjusting it hasn't affected it sadly. I think that I do need Better Cities COBL, that file is only 16 kb so it's just a patch. The load order isn't particularly the problem though, it's just the bashed patch and the merged files. Thanks for looking it over though.

So I have spent hours trying to isolate the problem in my bashed patch. I have isolated it to the Relations and Factions tabs. According to my guides, they were set up correctly, but this is certainly the only thing that causes my game not to load.

Originally I followed http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=bashed_patch for this section and checked everything except OOO esp and esm.

Import Factions - check your overhauls' readmes
MMMforOOO, FCOM: uncheck OOO ESP and OOO ESM here

Import Relations - check your overhauls' readmes
MMMforOOO, FCOM: uncheck OOO ESP and OOO ESM here

That didn't work, so I tried to do just FCOM mods. No dice.
Then tried everything except FCOM, MMM, OOO overhauls. Nada.
Then tried only UOP, official DLCs + Knights. Nope.
Then tried only UOP. No go.
So I tried just AFK_Weye, Salmo the Baker, Alternate Start by Ship. And... nothin'.

Here are my available options for these:

Import Factions

Spoiler

[_] Mart's Monster Mod.esm
[_] FCOM_Convergence.esm
[_] Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
[_] Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
[_] Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
[_] FCOM_Convergence.esp
[_] FCOM_HungerUnitySI.esp
[_] Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
[_] DLCFrostcrag.esp
[_] Knights.esp
[_] Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
[_] AFK_Weye.esp
[_] FCOM_Knights.esp
[_] Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp

Import Relations

Spoiler

[_] Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
[_] Mart's Monster Mod.esm
[_] FCOM_Convergence.esm
[_] Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
[_] Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
[_] Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
[_] FCOM_Convergence.esp
[_] FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp
[_] Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
[_] Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
[_] FCOM_Knights.esp
[_] Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp

If I don't build my patch with these 2 categories at all, it loads all fine. I am reading through all the documentation again to make sure I'm not missing anything, but... any advice?

» Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:11 pm

I'm not a Wrye Bash maven, so my one good piece of advice is to post your problem, and especially the contents of your last comment, in the latest Wrye Bash thread on the first page. That's where the people hang out who have sparks shooting from their fingertips whenever WB is mentioned. And good luck!

» Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:21 am

Thanks fable2. I think it might be a memory problem with wrye bash actually, I noticed it would kick up memory errors. Weird cuz I have 12gb memory. So I'm gonna research this before I post again... it's so perplexing. Thank you for your reply. =)