Just for fun, I'm making hot female vampire enemies in the CS, using cool modded armors and weapons. So I'm looking for a lore correct excuse for having a bunch of female only vampires bent on revenge and destruction. The problem is that I know very little about lore, but checking Imperial Library I happened upon:

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-opusculus-lamae-bal



So I'm thinking, what about an almost sectarian section of female vampires, worshipping Lamae - but rather hating Molag Bar, set upon revenging her, mimicking her ecstatic violence? Sort of like an ancient coven of blood sisters under a charismatic leader. Would that work or just be silly?

Also, while I'm at it. What is the relationship between Vampires and Undead? The reason I'm asking is that my OOO vampire summons a Blood Golem, which is OK but I'm wondering which creature(s) a vampire is most likely to summon. I'm thinking a high level Skeleton or perhaps a Wolf or something - but not sure about lore here either.

For a rather in-depth debate on vampires and the Undead see http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1109165-are-vampires-in-the-elder-scrolls-undead/

Physically, an ES vampire is nothing but a human altered to become immortal type 1 (won't die except by sword), and feed/hunt off of humanity. There is not much mystical beyond that. They are not quite bound to the same superstitious associations that other incarnations of vampires are subject to, so the sky is the limit in terms of things a vampire might summon. You might want to try exploring what this cult of yours would believe and summon.

I'm a little confused about what this cult's relationship with Molag Bal would be. I can't really pass judgement until you elaborate on that.

maybe they summon the spirit of lamae?

I can't find anything on Lamae except in http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-manifesto-cyrodiil-vampyrum and http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-opusculus-lamae-bal. A bit surprisingly as she seems rather cool. Also, noob question, the books turn up in TES Game Books ? The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, but none of them are in vanilla - what kind of books are they?

Anyway, seems to be quite open to interpretation how to handle her when it comes to symbols, manifestation, suitable spirit summon. Also, is she alive?



Thanks for the link - interesting read. Yes, I'm confused myself as it's just a blurry idea at this point - and it won't be important with an in depth back story etc. anyway as I'm basically going to use it as a backdrop to a series of boss encounters with hot female vampires. Anyway, I'm thinking a cabal of female Lamae worshippers with its legendary origin in the first generation of vampires. Very obsessed with purity and origins, perhaps only accepting Imperials, Nords and Bretons because of common nedic heritage. Also, commemorating the burning Lamae by wanton massacre. Seeking revenge against humans in general, but males in particular. Also hating Molag Bal - but honestly no idea what to do with that - what could they ever do against him?

The Oblivion books section also includes books from Shiver Isles and the various DLCs. I've tried to mark those either with tags or with notes in the "librarian comment" section.

I don't think the cult has any backing in lore, but I can't think of anything contradicting it either, so it should be fine for a mod. I'm not sure about the hating Bal part, though, after all, hes the one who gave them their power. Maybe they view him more as a necessary evil (unless they hate the fact that they are vampires... lots of things to consider).

In terms of summoning, remember that in most cases its just a game stand in for calling or making the creature. If you "summon" a wolf you either unleash a tame one you already had or somehow call one in from the wilderness. If you "summon" a blood golem, you activate a golem you've already created before.

Thanks. Ah, right - they're from Vile Lair. I don't have it installed ATM - but that's an excellent reason to reinstall it. Yes, I just thought it was such a powerful vision of Lamae going berserk while burning and bringing forth the first generation of vampires at the same time. But, yeah, might as well skip the hate Molag Bal part - simply focus on Lamae as the Blood Matron. I mean, I need to explain why they are females only. But perhaps Lamae worship in itself is enough - only female vampires with nedic heritage might apply.

Molag Bal's priestess in Bal Ur said that Molag Bal didn't create vampires, but the myth that he did is widespread enough that it shouldn't matter.

Edit: I mean, we have several large factions with key beliefs relying on possibly faulty information already.

Not to mention Bal had to grab a cure potion from Vaernima, so a possible connection with Vaernima is there.

How would a female Nedic from the historic times when the legend took place look? Perhaps Nords would be closest?

Yeah, nords are your best bet. Imperials had years of slavery, which made them weak. Redguards are not even native to Tamriel. Bretons are hybrids of Nedics and Aldmer.

I'd say Imperial is as close as you're going to get. Years of work and selective breeding don't really make people weak, and Nords look too... Nordic to pass for all but the northernmost Nedic tribes. Bretons are actually closer, since crossbreeding between Nede and Ayleid probably took place. Anyways, since shes a vampire, I don't think the actual race should matter too much.

So: Imperial > Breton > Nord but doesn't matter so much because she became a vampire. I made her into a ghost, which works well, but I still got that image of Lamae "aflame" in my head - I'll check out how that could be done best.

My impression from the book was that she wasn't a vampire, but instead gave birth to them.

Could try applying the flame of agnon effect from SI on top of the ghost effect, or do a re-tex of the ghost effect to make it red, apply it uniquely to that one npc (via an unlootable clothing item occupying the tail slot perhaps?) combined with the effect used for npc's on fire. (some sort of enchanted unlootable ring to keep her on perma-flames?)