Land

Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:39 am

Greetings, I was wondering how land and territory is handled in Morrowind.
Particularly the vast stretches of uninhabitable territory.

If going by the house quests there is indeed the concept of individual land ownership, based on the existence of deeds. And if this is a general occurrence and not just something that was designed and invented as a quest filler, where would one go about finding resources to establish who owns what cells.


I hope I am clear enough as I am toying with a concept for a mod.
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Travis
 
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Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:00 am

I'd say your middle paragraph holds water, depending where you plan to build. If it's in established great house territory, you need to have it okayed from the great house. If it's not inhabited, you'll need to get it okayed from the duke or what have you that's incharge of land deeds (and if a place is sponsored by a house or not). Now, disputes do happen, because another house could be trying to encroach another house's territory. Such things usually handled through assassination, or just killing the people building the place and the owner.
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Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:14 am

Whenever you are going to build something apparently you have to go get a permit from the duke in ebonheart
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Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:55 am

I'd say your middle paragraph holds water, depending where you plan to build. If it's in established great house territory, you need to have it okayed from the great house. If it's not inhabited, you'll need to get it okayed from the duke or what have you that's incharge of land deeds (and if a place is sponsored by a house or not). Now, disputes do happen, because another house could be trying to encroach another house's territory. Such things usually handled through assassination, or just killing the people building the place and the owner.


But who would handle the territory for the houses, as I have a hard time seeing how for instance the Telvanni could have it owned collectivity, alternatively it is distributed to the masters or council members of the houses where it would be logical for them to own their own territory.

Assassination is one thing but how would the land deed and right pass over to the culprit, unless of course there is theft of the land deed involved, in which case where would it be stored?

Whenever you are going to build something apparently you have to go get a permit from the duke in ebonheart


Yes, but is this true for all territory or just the neutral ground? and is the duke the guy to turn to for all building permits or just that on his ground? and lastly does he hold all deeds or are there powerful free agents not bound by houses that could possibly hold large chunks of land?
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Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:40 am

But who would handle the territory for the houses, as I have a hard time seeing how for instance the Telvanni could have it owned collectivity, alternatively it is distributed to the masters or council members of the houses where it would be logical for them to own their own territory.

Assassination is one thing but how would the land deed and right pass over to the culprit, unless of course there is theft of the land deed involved, in which case where would it be stored?

I dunno, only what I understood from when I played the game. So far, I've only done Redoran.
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Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:40 am

I get the feeling that it is technically all on (permanent, non-negociable) loan from the Temple.
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Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:10 am

Maybe from the Temple, or if it is any Great House territory, or owned by someone else...
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Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:44 am

I get the feeling that it is technically all on (permanent, non-negociable) loan from the Temple.


Is it based on some lore or just a rationalisation if so based on what?:) It is important for me to get this if not accurate at least plausible.



Maybe from the Temple, or if it is any Great House territory, or owned by someone else...


Unless there is lore that states or hints at something else I will probably be going by this.
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Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:16 am

I'd honestly have to say owning land is based on what the Duke allows. If the land is already owned by someone, you have to talk to that group who owns it. So, if you wanted to move into Tel Mora, you better have got the permits from whomever is in charge of land permits for Tel Mora (either the mouth or that guy in the inn for the permits to walk around town). If it isn't an officially claimed area, talk to the Duke.
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Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:42 am

Is it based on some lore or just a rationalisation if so based on what?:) It is important for me to get this if not accurate at least plausible.


Vvardenfell is a giant sacred rock which houses the deepest and darkest secret of the Tribunal Temple. So, it's hard to believe that it doesn't belong to the Temple. Ashlanders never left the area, it's only been two decades since people have started to come back and build. I think the Temple is loaning out the land to simply balance the Imperial presence on the island, who are only there to svck out the ebony from Red Mountain.
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Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:52 am

Maybe some people just take what they want and claim it as theirs, as long as nobody finds out...
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Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:47 am

Maybe some people just take what they want and claim it as theirs, as long as nobody finds out...

Apparently (according to Redoran), the Telvanni and Hlaalu did this. However...Redoran found out and sent you to kill the future owners
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Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:55 am

Maybe some people just take what they want and claim it as theirs, as long as nobody finds out...


That's the point of a war of assassins, just look at Shishi or Odirniran, or the murders at Tel Uvirith/Rethan Manor/Bal Isra.
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Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:01 pm

That's the point of a war of assassins, just look at Shishi or Odirniran, or the murders at Tel Uvirith/Rethan Manor/Bal Isra.



I guess it makes things more exciting for some people by giving them things to do...
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Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:28 pm

Vvardenfell is a giant sacred rock which houses the deepest and darkest secret of the Tribunal Temple. So, it's hard to believe that it doesn't belong to the Temple. Ashlanders never left the area, it's only been two decades since people have started to come back and build. I think the Temple is loaning out the land to simply balance the Imperial presence on the island, who are only there to svck out the ebony from Red Mountain.


I wonder. it does not explain the dukes role though, as he is clearly not a vassal of the temple. and if it is so sacred to the temple, or rather, if the temple holds that ownership, they surely do not seem to interested in what is built on the ground, and for that sake the duke did not care much what happened to the ground... makes me wonder. The territorial conflicts alone should probably indicate that there is no clear ownership, or the owner is so weak that its right can be questioned freely.. hmm. Personally I would bet ownership is determined by the number of soldiers on said factions side. :P
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Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:47 am

The Duke is head of Hlaalu on Vvardenfell and answerable to King Helseth, King of the Hlaalu, but their position in Morrowind times is dependent on the buffs that comes from the Imperial presence. Take the Imperials out of Vvardenfall, and I'd bet the Hlaalu would go with them, or at least lose a lot of land in the process.

The Duke isn't just a lend-lease machine, he's a symbol of the King's Power. He's there as a political playa, to make everyone know that the Temple isn't the only power in the land. Look how close Ebonheart is to Vivec, and how close King Helseth shoved his palace into Almalexia's garden.
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Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:53 am

Is it based on some lore or just a rationalisation if so based on what?:) It is important for me to get this if not accurate at least plausible.

Vvardenfell is holy ground, and was originally a Temple preserve with no settlement (except for select Great House outposts) allowed. It was opened for colonization quite recently, probably related to the arrival of the East Empire Company.
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