Landscape Issues : III

» Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:24 pm

I'm currently using the latest Morrowind Rebirth, along with MGSO, and things were going well till I must have installed something that was really incompatible, because now I'm seeing a lot of land seams and some buidlings cannot be entered or are missing parts. Ald Ruhn and Vivec in particular seem hit hard from what I've seen, with the Ald Ruhn Fighter's Guild missing both its door and most of the building. The Rat in the Pot is also offset by a lot, with a floating door near the building itself, but separate. I have a lot of mods running alongside, and I'm sure a lot conflict with MR, but I'm trying to figure out what specifically is causing the mass landscape issues. Here is my mod order:

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Active Mods001  GDR_MasterFile.esm002  Morrowind.esm003  Tribunal.esm004  Bloodmoon.esm005  Morrowind Rebirth 2.7 - Morrowind Patch 1.6.5 Beta [Rebirth Edit].esm006  Morrowind Advanced.esm007  Texture Fix - Bloodmoon 1.1.esm008  abotWaterLife.esm009  TR_Data.esm010  TR_Mainland.esm011  Better Heads.esm012  Better Heads Tribunal addon.esm013  Better Heads Bloodmoon addon.esm014  MCA.esm015  The Undead.esm016  Assassins Armory.esm017  Projectile Overhaul - All Modules.esp018  cloakanddagger.esp019  Guards Diversified.ESP020  Vvardenfell Diversified.ESP021  Fair Magicka Regen 2.0b.esp022  DM_DB Armor Replacer-Exp.esp023  BB_Clothiers_of_Vvardenfell_v1.1.esp024  ExpandedBirthsigns4Purists.esp025  Westly's Master Headpack X.esp026  Murderous Dreams_Safe.esp027  NX9_Guards_Complete.ESP028  Dark Leather Attire.esp029  NX9_Guard_LGTrib_patch.ESP030  NX9_Guard_LGRedoran_Patch.ESP031  Morag Tong Expanded.esp032  MTT IV Master.esp033  Ranked Dremora.esp034  Galsiahs Character Development.esp035  GCD StartScript for Trib or Bloodmoon.esp036  GCD Over 60 level speedup.esp037  GCD Restore Potions Fix.esp038  Cavernes Overhaul -Eng.ESP039  The Hostiles.esp040  The Hostiles for Bloodmoon.esp041  D2items.ESP042  Morrowind Rebirth 2.71.ESP043  The Undead - TR Addon.esp044  Morrowind Code Patch Showcase.esp045  Sotha Sil Expanded.ESP046  Juniper's Twin Lamps (1.1 Tribunal).esp047  SpeechcraftBalance.ESP048  Enhanced Economics 2.0.esp049  SirLuthor-Tools.esp050  Vampire Realism II.esp051  Vampire Realism II - TB Add-On.esp052  Vampire Realism II - BM Add-On.esp053  OfficialMods_v5.esp054  MW_Adv_Required.esp055  Unique Banners and Signs.esp056  Better Bodies.esp057  Windows Glow.esp058  Key Replacer Trib & BM.esp059  JEB_muffin_fix.esp060  Barabus' fireplaces 2.esp061  Windows Glow - Tribunal Eng.esp062  Windows Glow - Bloodmoon Eng.esp063  Windows Glow - Raven Rock Eng.esp064  WA_Signy_Signposts(!).ESP065  Better Skulls.ESP066  abotWaterLifeTRaddon.esp067  Particle Arrow Replacer.esp068  Psy_VGR_Armour.esp069  Morrowind Rebirth 2.7 - Racial Diversity 1.2 [Addon].ESP070  Morrowind Rebirth 2.71 - Balmora Underworld 1.0 [Addon].ESP071  Creatures.esp072  New Bodies - Clean.esp073  TR_Alpha.ESP074  Female Armor - Complete.esp075  Better Weapons and Armors.esp076  OTR_Coast_Variety.esp077  STA_guides_replacer.esp078  MW Containers Animated.esp079  LGNPC_NoLore.esp080  LGNPC_SecretMasters_MCA5.esp081  LGNPC_SeydaNeen.esp082  LGNPC_GnaarMok_v1_20.esp083  LGNPC_AldVelothi_v1_20.esp084  LGNPC_MaarGan.esp085  LGNPC_HlaOad.esp086  LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20.esp087  LGNPC_Aldruhn_suppl.esp088  LGNPC_Pelagiad.esp089  LGNPC_TelMora_v1_30.esp090  LGNPC_Khuul_v2_21.esp091  LGNPC_VivecFQ.esp092  Less_Generic_Nerevarine.esp093  MCA - TR Addon.esp094  LGNPC_TelUvirith_v1_20.esp095  LGNPC_SecretMasters_v1_30.esp096  LGNPC_IndarysManor_v1_51.esp097  LGNPC_VivecRedoran.esp098  Less_Generic_Bloodmoon.esp099  Less_Generic_Tribunal.esp100  LGNPC_PaxRedoran_v1_20.esp101  LGNPC_SoulSicknessPatch_v1_00.esp102  NoM_Creatures Loot Standard.esp103  MA_snowprincetomb_v3.esp104  AtmosphericSoundEffects-3.0-Tribunal.esp105  abotWindowsGlow.esp106  Statue Replacer - Normal.esp107  bones.esp108  Shieldfx.esp109  Book Jackets - Morrowind.esp110  Book Jackets - Tribunal.esp111  Book Jackets - Bloodmoon.esp112  Better Clothes_v1.1.esp113  NewBlood_MwTbBm1.1.esp114  Neo's Unique Creatures.esp115  BetterClothesForTB.esp116  correctUV Ore Replacer 1.0.esp117  Bloated Caves.esp118  Better_Sounds.esp119  Graphic Herbalism.esp120  ExcellentMagicSounds.esp121  almalexia armor.esp122  Psy_UniqueDremora_T.esp123  More Better Clothes.ESP124  Golden Gold.esp125  New Voices.esp126  Sleepers, Awake!.esp127  guarskin_drum_replacer.esp128  LeftGloves_Addon_v2.esp129  UniqueFinery.esp130  Unique Jewelry and Accessories.esp131  True_Lights_And_Darkness_1.0-NoDaylight.esp132  Clean MCFC_1.0.esp133  Creatures Merged Objects Fix.esp134  imperial chain fix.esp135  UF_HortRobeF001.esp136  Brittlewind fix.esp137  NOM 3.0.esp138  Thief Experience Overhaul 1.3b (Tribunal) (Combined).esp139  The Imperial Legion Badge.esp140  SpeedandStamina.ESP141  Tombs Expanded - The Undead Addon.esp142  Tombs Expanded.esp143  Friends and Rivals.esp144  Nighttime Locks & Lock Bashing.esp145  P.R.E. v4.0.esp146  SSE_NOM.ESP147  Assassins Armory - Bolt Rifles.esp148  Assassins Bastard Fix.esp149  Mashed Lists.esp

I know something like the cavern overhaul mod would obviously cause problems, but it should just be around the caves themselves, not the cities, right? I'm also not 100% sure everything is up to date either, since last time I modded Morrowind PES and a lot of the other big sites were still up.

» Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:17 pm

The cavern overhaul mod only changes the interiors of caves and their entrances, it also doesn't make any edits to the landscape. I am not exactly familiar with Morrowind Rebirth, but I know it does change the landscape quite a bit, and if a mod is loaded after it that changes the landscape back to normal or moves a vanilla object back to its original position, you will get these problems you describe.

Now for your load order: I know that Vampire Realism II changes the landscape in some places, but not enough to be the only responsible culprit. Other than that, I am uncertain about which mods specifically could be responsible. Maybe it could help if you use the http://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/475/? to find out which mods have landscape and cell conflicts with Rebirth, and then you can narrow it down by disabling and reenabling them one by one. But there might be a lot of conflicts, of which not all have to be problematic (but Landscape conflicts probably are).

Also, have you tried using mlox to sort your load order? Maybe this could also help to solve some problems if not.