Legion or NCR? Debate

Post » Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:08 am

Also, if you talk to Cass Traders and Carvaners are flocking to the Legion because they actually protect their Supply Lines.


Whereas the NC Caravans are constantly getting picked off by Raiders, Bandits and other Caravans, who are actually working for the NCR....
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Amanda Leis
 
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Post » Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:12 pm

The NCR is the lesser of two evils in my opinion :shrug:
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Post » Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:48 pm

The NCR is the lesser of two evils in my opinion :shrug:


And why do you think that?
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Post » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:16 pm

And why do you think that?


Have you read ANY of the thread?
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Danii Brown
 
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Post » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:33 pm

Have you read ANY of the thread?


The thread isn't supposed to be about who's teh more teh eviller, really.
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Post » Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:19 am

I killed the legion and ncr without mercy I wiped all the camps out I could and I joined the kings king for life screw the ncr and the legion
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Post » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:13 pm

http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57365, sort of intresting.

You forgot the part about how Marcus says "and that's how reveloutions happen" about NCR. Oh and if Caesar dies if Legate Lanius takes over then it sure as heck wont crumble.

Have you completed the CL ending where the Legate takes over? He goes on a killing spree and is even worse than Ceasar ever was!
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Post » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:13 am

I've asked everyone in game and read the articles on VB which show a more open view, so I hold little bias to any faction.
Raul say's they have done some good and stopped raider attacks out east, no details and fails to mention if those same raiders are now members.
Gloria Van Graft ( evil ) says they've done wonders, meaning caesars complete domination of his subjects.
Trudi / Sunny mentions that they've heard rumours, but may believe them to be NCR propaganda.
Two / four quests in it turns out all to be true.
Dale Barton says they have done well, but is fearfull of crossing them.
Cass is biased, shows that they could be good for certain people, but are completely wrong in general.
The Weathers family show they attack anyone they can on sight for slavery, except the PC strangely.
The optional side quests around the strip show they have no qualms about killing as many innocent people as possible for no reason than terror.
They may not at one point have been planned to be the evil choice in game, but they are atm.

The NCR have neutral feelings or even supportive ones shown by blood enemies.
The Legion has no friends outside of hostile, agressive and mostly evil factions.
Finally the Karma systems is rubish, but shoot the leaders of CL you gain karma, which means the Dev's intentionally set them as evil.
All this is from unbiassed accounts, and has been posted as neutral as possible.

If spreading terror across Mojave weaken the will of resistance, it could save lives by discourage them to fight when the legion show up.
And with the cruel punishment, CL have effectively weed out all kinds of crimes, for which would be beneficial to many.
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Post » Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:17 am

Edit: got very off topic.
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Post » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:46 am

I honestly can't give you a fair account of how Legion civilization is, since not a one is present. I do feel that F:NV in terms of 'no good or bad guys' it's on par with F3's Enclave versus Brotherhood, only difference is that neither side is using power armor (well, functioning power armor anyway)

Honestly, despite my neutrality in terms of making a fair argument, The Legion more or less is without a doubt THE bad guy, I dont mean in my opinion, but as presented in the game, they are this games the Enclave, and the NCR is the BoS.
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Post » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:17 pm

I sincerely hope we get more insight in the Legion in future Fallout games (- Bethesda).

Hate them or not, you honestly can't deny there isn't a lot of potential to be found here.
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Post » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:49 am

Yes, there's the rub of it.
If the game of NV were more a House vs NCR vs free Mojave game it would stand up more with the themes we get in it.

With the lack of anything CL related that goes into detail, you're really left with only a great concept.
I feel if they had pulled an Enclave ( non joinable ) many would have hated it.
What we did get however was only a nod, a third option in name only.
A game with the legion in a more balanced two way split within their own lands would better suit them imo.
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Post » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:04 am

The thread isn't supposed to be about who's teh more teh eviller, really.


I thought it was who was the more superior/would win? but apparently it's just peoples opinions on who they like more and why.

since I haven't contributed, I'll just say that although the NCR is a more "friendly" and possibly stable(meaning they'll be around for awhile) faction, I wouldn't want to live under their rule, but as opposed to living under the legion rule, I'll take NCR any day.

now if this discussion was based around who would win(I don't know what it's about anymore) I would have to say I can't give an accurate opinion, seeing as how we don't really know the extent of Caesars power, and the NCR in the Mojave is just a fraction of their troops. even if someon weree put a gun to my head and told me to choose or die, I'd just keep yelling "I don't know! I don't know!"

I really don't know. none of us should. there just isn't enough information.
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Post » Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:54 pm

i would be a good question if we were given a real choice.the game is so slanted toward the NCR that you have no choice but to side with them.the NCR outnumbers them almost 2-1.just about all of the Legion is in one spot,the NCR is all over the place.
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Post » Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:02 pm

Have you completed the CL ending where the Legate takes over? He goes on a killing spree and is even worse than Ceasar ever was!

Well yes I have but the point I was making is that the legion would not fall. Lanius is the greatest military commander in the wasteland so he should stick to being the Legate.
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Post » Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:26 am

i would be a good question if we were given a real choice.the game is so slanted toward the NCR that you have no choice but to side with them.the NCR outnumbers them almost 2-1.just about all of the Legion is in one spot,the NCR is all over the place.

That's really the base of it, the ranger is the poster child, in the trailer you see a badass NCR ranger sniping a fiend with a anti-material rifle and saw shadows of the legion a shame really look how many votes NCR got, how many do you think actually see what both factions are all about?
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Post » Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:25 am

While I've seen many threads on factions on the first page and one about the four main choices I'd like to know which faction you believe the Mojave needs: The Legion or the NCR.

I'm Pro-Legion in this regard. I think it's a decision of living a tough life with the Legion or not living at all. It actually took me a playthrough to support the Legion. At first I was Anti-Legion (just ask Caesar's limbless body) but I began to see them as ruthless protectors. Now, Obsidian did kind of put them in half-assedly and they're probably not the most fun faction to play as, so this is more about who you believe would do better as leaders of New Vegas in teh realz lyfe.

And I apologise if this thread has actually been done and I haven't seen it, I just find it a very interesting topic.



If we're talking about who's better for New Vegas, then this is no contest. NCR would happily keep it alive to a degree, changing the setup to suit their system more. Caeser's Legion on the other hand would just tear it down: too many drugs, too much gambling, too much technology. It's gotta go.

As for the Mojave it's tough to say, as we've only seen the Legion as a military force. We haven't seen their civilization. However, based on their morals, one could easily argue that there's no justification for sixism and slavery. Kinda hard to argue you're the superior civilization option when half the population would automatically be a miserable slave under your rule...
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Post » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:38 am

Caeser's Legion on the other hand would just tear it down: too many drugs, too much gambling, too much technology. It's gotta go.

Caesar still being alive:

"Caesar entered The Strip as though it was his Triumph. The Legion pushed the NCR out of New Vegas entirely, driving them back to the Mojave Outpost. The Legion occupied all major locations, enslaving much of the population and peacefully lording over the rest. Under the Legion's banner, civilization - unforgiving as it was - finally came to the Mojave wasteland."

:mellow:
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Post » Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:23 am

Caesar still being alive:

"Caesar entered The Strip as though it was his Triumph. The Legion pushed the NCR out of New Vegas entirely, driving them back to the Mojave Outpost. The Legion occupied all major locations, enslaving much of the population and peacefully lording over the rest. Under the Legion's banner, civilization - unforgiving as it was - finally came to the Mojave wasteland."

:mellow:



I meant more that it wouldn't be the same New Vegas, not that they'd LITERALLY demolish the city itself. That only implies they occupy it, not that all the drugs, gambling and technology got to remain.
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Post » Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:20 am

I meant more that it wouldn't be the same New Vegas, not that they'd LITERALLY demolish the city itself. That only implies they occupy it, not that all the drugs, gambling and technology got to remain.

When did they have a problem with technology?
I see them using high tech weapons and stuff all the time.

And it's good that they removed gambling and drugs.
Both things just corrupt people.
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Post » Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:26 am

Ceaser called New Vegas his Rome. I dont think he would just demolish it
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Post » Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:01 am

When did they have a problem with technology?
I see them using high tech weapons and stuff all the time.

And it's good that they removed gambling and drugs.
Both things just corrupt people.



Unless I'm mistaken, doesn't Caesar say he wants the Courier to take care of the bunker under Fortification Hill, cause he doesn't want his men to see the possibility of using robots to fight? He wants fights to be won with flesh and blood? You have the option to ask him why he hasn't sent his men to take care of it themselves and his answer is something along those lines. Other than that, while there's nothing saying they seek to DESTROY technology, there's definitely much less in game that implies they regularly utilize it.
And drugs goes for stims too. I've never seen any Legion carry anything but healing powder and food.


At any rate, my point was that if we're talking about the New Vegas we know from what we see in the game, Caeser would destroy that version for sure. The NCR on the other hand would probably leave it as-is, cept with more BS regulation.
Besides, a Vegas without gambling isn't a Vegas at all, imo. :P
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Post » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:42 am

Unless I'm mistaken, doesn't Caesar say he wants the Courier to take care of the bunker under Fortification Hill, cause he doesn't want his men to see the possibility of using robots to fight? He wants fights to be won with flesh and blood? You have the option to ask him why he hasn't sent his men to take care of it themselves and his answer is something along those lines. Other than that, while there's nothing saying they seek to DESTROY technology, there's definitely much less in game that implies they regularly utilize it.
And drugs goes for stims too. I've never seen any Legion carry anything but healing powder and food.

Was like 3 months since I talked to Caesar.
Going on a Legion playthrough now again, need to catch up on my lore it seems. :P

Besides, a Vegas without gambling isn't a Vegas at all, imo. :P

It would be Rome. :drool:
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Post » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:31 pm

Unless I'm mistaken, doesn't Caesar say he wants the Courier to take care of the bunker under Fortification Hill, cause he doesn't want his men to see the possibility of using robots to fight? He wants fights to be won with flesh and blood? You have the option to ask him why he hasn't sent his men to take care of it themselves and his answer is something along those lines. Other than that, while there's nothing saying they seek to DESTROY technology, there's definitely much less in game that implies they regularly utilize it.
And drugs goes for stims too. I've never seen any Legion carry anything but healing powder and food.


Caesar didn't know what was under Fortification Hill. He only knew that it had something to do with House, and there-fore would be a threat.


And Caesar's Legion sees Drugs in general as a sort of weakness. That's why they hunt down and slaughter The Fiends, something that the NCR failed horribly at.
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Post » Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:24 am

None

Am I the only one who sees the NCR as evil?
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