It gets confusing, sometimes shes a he, or he's a she..

It's reasonable to think of her as two people, because it seems that way.

*wink wink*

Just Gecked he's neutral ( with good intentions flagged under AI. )

Kinda personal.

42 is the answer to the universe.

I'm gonna go on a limb and guess you're an alien. That'd be so cool!

:hubbahubba: :hubbahubba: :hubbahubba:

Oh and if we are on about slavery, the main reason people seem to hate the legion. I dont mind it. Honestly, it stops people becoming raiders, and it makes them rebuild society, and that is what is needed, people need to rebuild.
The legion however I respect, mainly because they have the balls to be open with thier issues. The ncr are much more vile hiding thier problems behind "democracy".
Lets look at a few things.

Forcing vault city to join ncr = slavery.
Hiring you to assassinate house after thier treaty = ruthless.
Only going to the Mojave after finding hoover = Greed
Sending new recruits to die = Value of life < $$$$
Destruction of tribes = they dont rehabilitate tribes

1. Just like CL
2. Just like CL
3 Worse than CL. NCR sent scouts, ony finding hoover did they try to "spread democracy" if they cared about spreading democracy, then they wouldnt be sending scouts out to look for resources then head in that direction when they find them.
4 Worse than CL
5 Same as CL/Worse the legion take some in e.g Khans, wipe out others though.

Again they are jsut as bad as the legion, but made more dangerous by the fact they hide what they truely are.

Oh and havean ending where you dont get the follows to support NCR it goes along the lines of "not on our side, GTFO out land".
Also a great quote from an ncr citizen "we will spill the blood of anyone who gets in the way of our peace efforts" Much like liberty primes "democracy is non negotiable" completely undermining itself.
Also if you convince the Khans to leave the Mojave "the khans got the message, this is our land now" great people.
I love how people could go on for days about how certain countries are evil for invading others, but here we have that happeneing, but the greefy invaders are somehow considered the" good" guys.


But I get bad karma for killing or disabling him. And considering thats a must for any non house route, I conclude he is the good option. unless I get - karma for blowing up the BoS.


I apologise. Did not mean to pry.

And let's not forget that they never truely admit to killing innocents, like the Legion does. They always say that Bitter Springs was a 'accident', when it's fairly obvious that they knew what was happening.

You do get bad Karma for doing that.

Thats what I meant. i jsut associate wiping them out with blowing them up... Its the only way to be sure.

Vault city from the wiki.

2. True House really gets the short end with all the other factions in this game.
3. They sent scouts and rangers for other reasons too, then they found the dam and became obsessed.
4. Typical CL tactics, fresh green troops sent in for melee in droves to wear out the foe.
Next come experienced warriors again for melee if that fails.
Seasoned warriors push in over all the dead to close as well.
Finally the shock troops with best armour and weapons.
Slightly worse than giving troopers weapons to stay at range with imo.
5. True tribals are not liked by the NCR at all, this is wrong NCR should rethink this.

Also the NCR formed coalitions with the Mojave desert rangers and communities offering help in return.
It's technically not an invasion if let in, even if the other option was just to give up.

Edit.

Killing most non hostile neutral persons is counted as murder.
So you'll loose karma for that, or it's scripted as a morally bad choice in general.

I'm sorry but is there a Legion majority in this topic? :celebration:

Don't worry, the NCR supporters will storm in here tomorrow.

Personally I think doing something that avoids the penalty doesn't negate the fact that (the game) thinks it's an evil act.


In the long run, Legion fans seem more willing to repeat debates endlessly in every thread about the topic.
I'm too lazy for that....plus while I favor the NCR/don't like the Legion while playing, I also don't really care. lol

Meh, no poll and it'll all be good.

Late and under equiped, in need of help from a mail man.


Leave it to the independents, we're harder to hit.

Free burning pyre, to the first Legonaire that dunks me in the Colorado :twirl: .

If you debate about the Legion... You are their [censored].

lol.

I actually played through first independent and I liked it as much as the Legion. It just doesn't seem very independent because you just give power to Yes Man.

I predict a full pledged assault of NCR supporters tomorrow

If they're anything like Epicness1 then it's bound to be awesome.

NCR is the best but out off all the Factions only two want to rule the Mojave. NCR and Legion which is what the topic is about. NCR would be the best because they have laws and morals. Sure they use underhanded methods to get that they want and it has its share of corrupt leaders and brahmin barons but what democracy doesn't?

With factions like Caesar's Legion, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I am not pro legion. I just hate the ncr.
The only reason i am more vocal about how I feel is most people hate the legion but love the ncr, so I dont need to be anti legion as most people think they are bad already. I jsut cant watch another bad faction be heralded as the good guys.


Bah I dont like a karma meter anyway, it ruins any grey morality if a icon/effect is saying "hey look your evil feel bad, my moral ethics and oppinions are law, you are evil" so the fact I dont see a pop up when sneak killing just makes it better.
Besides I can totally make up for it. I loot the corpses of the fallen BoS, sell thier stuff. by medical supplies. Donate to the followers. So killing the BoS makes me even nicer. Thus justifying my actions... God the fact the system can be twisted like this shows how badly broken it is.


Thier morals are grey at best. Just like the legion.
Laws are only good if you can enforce them. oohh burn

*looks at Mr house* I disagree.
I prefer the way they put power in RDR
"power is like a drink, and there are few men who can handle it. And it leaves them wanting more." something like that. The idea everyone is corrupted by power is just silly.

:banghead: LEGION SMASH!

:rofl: True enough!

:rofl: That is exactly what House would do.. and rule twisting just adds to the fun.