Yes in the GECK, NPC's are set at Good, Neutral or Evil.
Everytime you kill an evil npc it often grants karma, and vice versa.

In other FO's I think you also gained karma for killing slavers and other evil npc's too.

Legion are evil, or at least set to it.
NCR are neutral, few actually are set to good in game.

Darn D:

Yep, it comes as a real shock don't it.
Most likely some plot by a malicious Dev with a god complex who lives in California soaking in a bath of money.
At least that's one good rational excuse all CL fans can use.

Wait What??? :ahhh: :confused: :shocking:

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas

I thought that isn't "alignment", more like "Karma".


Anywho, I got to rephrase what I have said about Caesar after getting the "a new order arise from ashes of CL and NCR" bit. He have the wrong idea about the post-apocalypse: the wasteland is just not Ancient Europe, whatever worked did mean it could work again; and like Josh say, the Roman Empire lasted a thousand years, and another thousand for the Byzantine, then the Russians until the early 20th century.

Enslaving women (IMO) is not the end all be all or being evil, there are far more horrible things than enslavement.

Like eating a baby alive in front of it's mother.
Now "thats" evil. :laugh:

Like sixually abusing a child especially.

It is a weakness, however.

Definitely but I don't think we got the whole side of the story, no one tells me what to do (i mean if i was captured by them) and their policies I believe outweigh the women slave thing.

The female citizens, baby mommas and teachers must be treated all right though right?
There is civilization beyond legionnaire and slave since they have traders and their own currency so citizens must exist, both male and female.
And baby mommas, well, it isn't exactly a good thing for the baby to force a pregnant woman to work their ass off nor do I think that it's a good thing for the baby if the baby momma is chained up at a bed either.
So I think that their breeders are treated all right, if not, the babies might come out.... Faulty.
And teachers must be the women who teach the children about stuff before they are fit to start training to become legionnaires. (IIRC some women are teachers.)
Now this is just speculation but still, I doubt "every" women is treated like dirt in Legion Land.

Unfortunately we probably won't know until the next Fallout game, should the Legion even be in it.
Damn Obsidian.

I agree Gabriel, people generally don't work well under real bad stress and you know there's women, like me, who wouldn't let anyone treat them like a slave and men who wouldn't treat their women like that so I think the fort is an exception.

I remember 4 slaves, the Weathers family which is going through process and are currently "captures" which means their final destination and treatment when the get there is unknown.
Then we have two slave woman carrying a crapload of stuff on their backs, these women are treated badly, but who knows? Maybe they are doing it because they've refused to work and tried to run away. (This is pure speculation but I hope that within the Legion community the slave class system works like this: If you're good, you will get better treatment and might eventually become a citizen, if you're bad and work like crap then your treatment will get worse and you'll end up like these two slave girls. Why I hope it is like this is because then the slaves has no one to blame but themselves for getting such horrible treatment, while good little dogs will get far better treatment.)
Then we have a little girl, I haven't talked to her so I don't know what there is to her.
Then there's Siri, and she seems to be treated all right, she makes them healing powders and she don't look like she's in pain or anything. (Physically that is, mentally? I dunno, haven't talked to her for a while so can't tell whether her voice is full of despair or not.)

Still, the only four slaves I've seen are the four at The Fort and the captures at Cottonwood Cove.
Might be some more slaves at The Arena, but that was quite a long time ago since I fought there and their only purpose is to die by the players hands anyway.

Point is, in the game we have 1 citizen, 3 captures, 2 prisoners, 4 slaves and a crapload of legionnaires.
I know I'm rehashing the same thing but, how are we suppose to debate Legion when it's this biased?
Look at how many citizens of New Vegas and NCR there is, Legion is... Incredibly difficult to defend unless one allows speculation.

Actually if you talk to Raul and Cass, The Legion is doing a better job defending it's lands and people than the NCR.

The Legion protects all of it's Carvans and their Trade Routes, while the NCR does nothing.


The Legion also eliminates almost all of the Raiders they encounter. For example, if you aid the NCR but don't do anything about the Fiends, they continue to be a problem. If you side with Legion and don't kill any Fiends, they're wiped out almost immediatly.

But we only have their word for it, and words range from various amount of perspectives.
I could say that Kimball is a generous person, but would you believe me?
It might be true but all you have to go by is my word.
So while we have a few statements about Legion we still don't have many cut in stone facts and not enough to make up for the amount NCR has.

Think classical greek, than roman here imo.
CL attitude to women is not a roman view that much.
If you read writers like Juvenal you get a sense of entitlement in the way society is run.
The meritocratic raise early on, but pass on nada but wealth and privilage.
The senate is broken down to rich families which form treaties, raise to a single ruler and break up again and again.
Women tend to be the head of the house, holding power not so much in secret but rather openly but not discused in public.
They form cliques with other wives and amongst themselves hold sway over sons and husbands.
A practice that carried on long after the break up of the empire.

The classic greek version is more akin to the attitude you hear from CL npc's.
A daughter, a barter, a wife, a mother, kept indoors and away from any influences.
Learning and education is of little priorty to the female gender, just fertility and good stock.
Maybe if CL showed more influence of sparta it would be different, but no signs of that in NV has even been hinted at.

But that was a bad communication you cant just think there bad just because of that. Think NCR can be compared to our army in the US states of course but we have better weapons and everything. We probably defiantly had something like bitter springs go down in our history

We've had more than one Bitter Springs.


In fact, we've had things worse than Bitter Springs in our history.

well of course see NCR isnt so bad BUT our military RULES wooooooooooo Canada is junk

No.


The NCR's military is quite bad. They lack orginization and many of their leaders are incompetant.

Most long-standing armies/nations have. S*** happens in war, unfortunately.

OHH OK and the legions better???!!!

They are trying to do the right thing, NCR is doing whatever it does for the wrong reasons.

Plus, they don't massacre children.