Legion or NCR? Debate #2

Post » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:31 pm

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I agree 100%.


To all the people saying "Remember Bitter Springs!", remember that the NCR is NOT evil. They're not the type to raze a town of innocent people unless they're's a mistake in communication. Think about Boone; Is he the type to lie? He admits it was horrible and goes on to say that it was miscommunication


Going to have to agree with the Colonel on this one. House doesn't torture people and burn towns, his robots, are (probably) incapable of being corrupt like the NCR, etc. I have played all of the endings, and it's ridiculous how much better Houses's ending was for the Mojave overall. I think people just shun House in the beginning because they are ignorant and can't look into issues with thought. (puts up flame shield)


I can understand wanting to play the bad guy and amusing yourself by trampling on the masses....what irritates me is when people try to blow smoke up my ass by claiming they're doing the people in general a service by putting Caesar and his collection of woman haters, psychopaths and perverts in charge of the Mojave. They aren't, they're just condemning many to death, and many more to lives of slavery, misery and fear to satisfy the narcissistic delusions of a wannabe God-King.

As far as Bitter Springs...that has Moore's fingerprints all over it. And to be fair to the NCR, the Khans reaped what they had sown...ask Sgt. Bitter Root about what those "innocents" had been doing to civilians for years before someone finally did something about it. Probably the single biggest thing I like about the Khans is that they seem to have taken to heart the harsh lessons administered to them by House, the Three Families and the NCR and for the first time since they left Vault 15 are starting to show some compassion towards those outside thier tribe.


To all the people saying "Remember Bitter Springs!", remember that the NCR is NOT evil. They're not the type to raze a town of innocent people unless they're's a mistake in communication. Think about Boone; Is he the type to lie? He admits it was horrible and goes on to say that it was miscommunication
Even if it was a miscommunication they still did it.
They still murdered those innocent people there.

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Post » Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:29 pm

Back on topic Reload.
N.C.R, ugh, Corruption, uncaring, greedy, prone to turning a blind eye.
CL, egh, Slavery, discrimination, no care as to who they hurt or how, and constant enforced brutality.

Personally they both stink, N.C.R less so to me, but I'd still rather live in a cave.
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Emmanuel Morales
 
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Post » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:58 am

NCR and Legion: Opposite sides on the coin of svck.
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Post » Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:03 am

NCR and Legion: Opposite sides on the coin of svck.

The NCR being the side everyone chooses when it is flicked.
Also @ bazz22
give me evidence that NCR is not evil and I will gladly ditch legion and go to them,because its true, they killed innocent people and scarred boone for life.
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Post » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:27 pm

The NCR being the side everyone chooses when it is flicked.
Also @ bazz22
give me evidence that NCR is not evil and I will gladly ditch legion and go to them,because its true, they killed innocent people and scarred boone for life.


Honestly, I believe Boone is in denial and telling himself that it was an accident, I mean he seems to be the kind of guy to do that.
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Post » Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:32 am

Honestly, I believe Boone is in denial and telling himself that it was an accident, I mean he seems to be the kind of guy to do that.

Seeing as how he murders just about everyone he sees I'd say there was no "miscommunication".
That psychopath just wanted to kill those people for teh lulz.
He disgusts me.... So when are we gonna get Joshua Graham?
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Post » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:05 pm

Seeing as how he murders just about everyone he sees I'd say there was no "miscommunication".
That psychopath just wanted to kill those people for teh lulz.
He disgusts me.... So when are we gonna get Joshua Graham?


The next DLC! LOLOLOLOLOHONESTHEARTS

But really, I hope we could have him as a companion.. I need moar references to Van Buren, if we can have him as a temporary companion, I would be so [censored] happy if he would be able to massacre New Cannan like he would in VB..
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Post » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:48 am

NCR and Legion: Opposite sides on the coin of svck.


Yeah, pretty much.
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Post » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:26 pm

The next DLC! LOLOLOLOLOHONESTHEARTS

But really, I hope we could have him as a companion.. I need moar references to Van Buren, if we can have him as a temporary companion, I would be so [censored] happy if he would be able to massacre New Cannan like he would in VB..

That is my dream for that DLC :D
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Post » Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:40 am

The NCR, because for all their faults, they're still better than the Legion.
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Post » Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:37 pm

The NCR, because for all their faults, they're still better than the Legion.

Thank you for posting reasons for your opinion, and simply stating here, a 'debate' that somehow your opinion is automatically right.

Thank you, so much.
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Post » Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:57 pm

I think the devs purposely made both seem bad with their few good points, all though sometimes what one fraction character says contradicts another, don't know if that was on purpose or just bad communication between the devs and the writters.
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Post » Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:49 am

Thank you for posting reasons for your opinion, and simply stating here, a 'debate' that somehow your opinion is automatically right.

Thank you, so much.

Well, if you want my opinion expanded (Your snark aside I do realize this is merely my opinion.):

While it is true that the NCR has done some rather unsavory things in the name of their reverse Manifest Destiny, I'd rather hand over the reins of the future to them than I would the misogynistic slavers known as Caesar's Legion. To me the NCR represents progress, whereas the Legion represents a regression to a time I think should stay in the history books.
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Post » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:52 pm

Seeing as how he murders just about everyone he sees I'd say there was no "miscommunication".
That psychopath just wanted to kill those people for teh lulz.
He disgusts me.... So when are we gonna get Joshua Graham?


Boone shows the signs of just being a good soldier who follows the orders he's given. He trusted his commanders (like most soldiers do) and did what he was told. To call him a psychopath is unfair at the very least since psychopaths don't feel like normal human beings do. A psychopath wouldn't feel regret, sympathy, or love and Boone feels or has felt all of those things. He regrets what happened, feels sympathy for others, and loved his wife.

A real example of a psychopath in the game would be Legate Lanius or Cook Cook.
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Post » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:32 pm

Boone shows the signs of just being a good soldier who follows the orders he's given. He trusted his commanders (like most soldiers do) and did what he was told. To call him a psychopath is unfair at the very least since psychopaths don't feel like normal human beings do. A psychopath wouldn't feel regret, sympathy, or love and Boone feels or has felt all of those things. He regrets what happened, feels sympathy for others, and loved his wife.

A real example of a psychopath in the game would be Legate Lanius or Cook Cook.


Good points. That said, I still shot the psychopa......uh.....er.....Boone in the face. :mohawk:
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Post » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:12 pm

Boone shows the signs of just being a good soldier who follows the orders he's given. He trusted his commanders (like most soldiers do) and did what he was told. To call him a psychopath is unfair at the very least since psychopaths don't feel like normal human beings do. A psychopath wouldn't feel regret, sympathy, or love and Boone feels or has felt all of those things. He regrets what happened, feels sympathy for others, and loved his wife.

Have you seen his poker-face?
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Post » Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:36 am

Well, if you want my opinion expanded (Your snark aside I do realize this is merely my opinion.):

While it is true that the NCR has done some rather unsavory things in the name of their reverse Manifest Destiny, I'd rather hand over the reins of the future to them than I would the misogynistic slavers known as Caesar's Legion. To me the NCR represents progress, whereas the Legion represents a regression to a time I think should stay in the history books.


Sory for beingrude, I just got worked up about you simply saying that.

If you would want 'true' civilization to the desert, it'd have to go to House. NCR doesn't seem to do anything, they just make it worse in my opinion whereas the Legion enforces the law (Severely.) to keep peace and would eventually make it 'peaceful'.

But as we all know... War, War never changes.
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Post » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:48 pm

Boone shows the signs of just being a good soldier who follows the orders he's given. He trusted his commanders (like most soldiers do) and did what he was told. To call him a psychopath is unfair at the very least since psychopaths don't feel like normal human beings do. A psychopath wouldn't feel regret, sympathy, or love and Boone feels or has felt all of those things. He regrets what happened, feels sympathy for others, and loved his wife.

A real example of a psychopath in the game would be Legate Lanius or Cook Cook.

I don't think Legate Lanius is a psyco, for one he is a soldier, the armys generall basicly, he follows orders from his higher up of Caesar just as Boone followed orders from his higher up and also thinks for himself and is an exeptional leader and he sees the full potential in the legion as all leaders do. Also he must feel some sort of compassion to the legion, you heard his speach right? Lanius is far from a Psycopath.
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I don't think Legate Lanius is a psyco, for one he is a soldier, the armys generall basicly, he follows orders from his higher up of Caesar just as Boone followed orders from his higher up and also thinks for himself and is an exeptional leader and he sees the full potential in the legion as all leaders do. Also he must feel some sort of compassion to the legion, you heard his speach right? Lanius is far from a Psycopath.


Lanius doesn't show too much compasion, but he respects them and the NCR, Caesar made him out to be a full-blown [censored]storm, but he's really intelligent and respectable.

Caesar is just trying to paint him as a pyschopathic murderer.
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Post » Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:10 pm

NCR or Legion

The NCR is well they're a group of people who want to try to restore order to the wasteland the one problem is the NCR is getting too big for their own good. Also the leadership isn't the best it's pretty corrupt.

The Legion is evil, a really evil group of Slavers. They will get rid of Drugs and bring order to the wasteland but at what cost.

Me personally I'd pick Mr. House as he's better then both the NCR and Legion. If I had to pick between Legion and NCR I'd pick the NCR but I don't think my Courier would be happy living under NCR rule :cryvaultboy: :sadvaultboy:
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Post » Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:47 am

Caesar is just trying to paint him as a pyschopathic murderer.


For obvious reasons.


To scare the hell out of the enemy and his own forces.
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Post » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:27 pm

For obvious reasons.


To scare the hell out of the enemy and his own forces.


That's what I meant, I forgot to add that to the post lol.
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Post » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:14 pm

Saying that the NCR is as bad as CL, because they are corrupt, is like saying that Italy is as bad as Cambodia under Pol-Pot :rolleyes:
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Post » Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:51 am

Legate Lanius is a sociopath with quasi cult delusions, Cook cook is a text book psychopath.

Boone is of a disciple mentality.. a follower.
Strong loyal, unjudgemental, passes no moral judgements due to relegating them to the responsabilities of others.

Manny as his best friend, the NCR commanders, his wife and now you.
This leads to a break in reality very quickly.
Loyalty to Manny made the act of training to kill instinctual.
Loyalty to the NCR made it seem normal and acceptable in circumstances, even if wrong morally.
Loyalty to his wife led to the breakdown of any normal human functions or compassion, and set in paranioa.
Loyalty to you is either a release of agression, or a healing process
Either way you set him up for the next change to his personallity.
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Post » Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:22 am

Saying that the NCR is as bad as CL, because they are corrupt, is like saying that Italy is as bad as Cambodia under Pol-Pot :rolleyes:



Saying that the NCR is good is like saying that the Holy Crusades was for the greater good.
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