Just to let you guys know, IRL the roman empire did not immediatly fall when ceaser died, it had many great emperors after it such as Hadrian or Augustus. Its eventual downfall was because of a varity of diffrent reasons and problems.

Anyway, i think we dont have enough information about CL but i believe they are the best option for the mojave. In aincent rome slaves were not always assaulted or beaten or anything like that, some people treated there slaves well and kindly. And keep in mind that we see war camps in the legion, not cities and its stupid to think that all the soldiers in the legion are evil barbarians. who like killing.

As Marcus the supermutant said:

"Ceasers domain will fall when ceaser dies. It may not happen over night, but basic human instinct such as greed will see to it"

And the Legions are all [censored], if you believe Veronica. I'd stay out of that place..

Sorry I sounded rude, it's hard to put across opinions without using... you, I, they, them, us, we..

That quote was not really aimed at you or anyone.
It was an attempt to in general say that more content and seeing home rule in game, may not be any less different then what we see at the Fort + camps.
I'm not trying to change opinions or put mine first.
It's more along the lines of thinking about what people have posted, and trying to discuss how and why the faction makes them support it.

Currently we are on the less content part of the CL side discussion, and the legion in general...

If the NCR side comes up with some new stuff to discuss, I'll switch over and try to find loop holes in them.

Long boring post ended, back to jokes about Boone's Boobe's...
Or the awesome headwear that the legion uses.. that does not make them at all seem like Caesar had a headache that meeting.

Well, if it's more of the same back in Arizona then I "might" stop supporting Legion. :confused:
Still, not much to do but speculate, use real life similarities, whine about NCR and hope for a Legion DLC.

About the Kings.....

Agreed. I support them until I see something I can't back, then I will go with someone else. I'm a girl, I can be fickle.

But this also means that Obsidian needs to play their cards right.
If they make Legion too evil through the DLC then the only reason I would want to side with them ever again is cause "Lulz, I'm evilzors!".
They need to lay their cards very carefully, while still holding true to Legion of what they are but still not making them too black and white and still give us a proper reason as to why we would want to support them.
If they don't then I consider it a major fail on Obsidians part and I'm not going to trust anything from them about Fallout again until I see it.
Why? Cause they said factions would be gray and we would be able to make up our own mind about them, whether we see them as good or evil or something in between.
If Legion is made out to be more evil then I can't see how anyone could see any good from them, not even longterm.
They'd be no better than Powder Gangers or Raiders from FO3.
And the grayness they had will disappear.

Of course, it's Obsidians faction and they can do whatever they want with it.
But they will lose some of my respect I had for them if they make the wrong move.
Just sayin'. :/



Ending slider - Kings.
Requirement - Incite full-scale war between the NCR and The Kings in King's Gambit, complete the endgame quest Veni, Vidi, Vici for Caesar's Legion.

I agree. Which is why we NEED a dlc about Arizona. Any reason to go back there. Regaurdless of the state the legion is in, in the Mojave.
I mean I can justify what thye are doing now. Its war, you dont exactly meet nice people at war. But if the legion in Arizona are anything like the Mojave legion, then Obsidian have failed to make a grey faction. Its already bad that the legion has 5 quests. One merchant and a few mostly uselss locations. We kniw how the ncr opperates back in cali, its only fair to see how the legion work. I am hoping the dlc with the burned man has us go back to Arizona, Joshua was in the grand canyon, but he could return home for a number of reasons and maybe give you a quest to do the things he cant in legion territory.
Also with around 7/8 dlcs they have no excuse not to expand on the legion, especially when its hinted about the burned man.
I have done a legion playthrough, its hard to support them at times, when I know so little. Not helped by most companions being anti legion, and most npcs anti legion, and most npcs ncr. The game is pretty biased, they need a dlc to restore balence. (besides I want some fancy armour like lanius has, maybe the legion has gladiator armour or something back home) I know there is already an arean abut still.

yah they use bull crap ways to kill people like serously flooding camp searchlight with radiation to kill people. thats just pathetic why didnt they just kill them thereselves and i obviously played the game or i wouldnt be even in these forums duh. :facepalm:

Good thing you're not a tactician.

Because they had a more eficcient way of killing searchlight...

Really thats just like asking "why did the ncr blow up boulder city" because it was efficient and minimalized thier casualties.
:facepalm:

But still that was during a main battle search light wasnt. They set up a trap and it worked perfect like they do in war today

Last time I checked there was still a war. searchlight is an enemy camp. I dont see how you can say its any different to boulder. But then again through these threads just just seem to hate legion. So im going to assume this is terrible because itsthe legion who did it, despite it being exactly like the ncr tactics.

And the Legion eliminated an NCR military installation with a only a few casualties. It's cost-benefit and it turned in the Legion's favor.

and so did the NCR they turned boulder city into their benefit to. if you dont think thats a benefit then searchlight wasnt a benefit. Plust searchlight wasnt a main battle their wasnt proabably many shots fired if any.

I'm not arguing against what happened at Boulder City. Whether or not Searchlight was a "main battle" or not is completely irrelevant, it's still war. However, arguing against the Legion's actions is just silly.

Wouldn't it be better to try and chip away at the enemy as much as possible before the main battle?
In order to break down morale, equipment, supply lines and holding points?

yes but search light happened like 4 yours ago right in the game or so something like that if im wrong correct me. But anyways the story line you get to pick witch side and camp searchlights destruction really at all didnt play a important part to the second major battle of hoover dam

Well. Maybe not to the main battle, but due to killing of Nelson and Searchlight Legion got a foothold into the Mojave through Cottonwood Cove.
Frankly, they don't "need" the dam at all.
They could just force their troops through cottonwood cove and over Lake Mead through rafts and then sabotage stuff until the NCR weakens enough and has to pull out.
I think the only reason that Legion attacks the dam is cause they needed to place all endings final stage at the same place, the dam.

What would you have the Legion do instead? Should they just leave Searchlight alone?

Well the legion sends a quick bloody message all the time to damage morale of the troops, it has everything to do with the war in general really, Vulpus planted the bomb undetected and then the whole place is a green haze, hugely damaging to NCR morale.

yah but you forgot you can take back nelson from the legion if you help the NCR. so that would mean they only have cottonwood cove and one of the ranger stations is looking after that(but the legion would slaughter those people there at that ranger station like they did at charlie).

Well yes but if the courier never came along then the NCR would never have taken Nelson back, the NCR always need the help of a mail man in these times :/.

Well thats irrelivent as whoever has the courier wins.
Dead sea could have taken forlorn hope, but decides its better not to, and just asks you kill thier leaders.

That's true, the only reason that dead sea hangs back is because he was ordered to stay to damage morale.