Take a look at any of the Women Slaves. Having to carry so much weight. The slave masters talking about "helping themselves" to the new women. Any form of slavery is bad.

Their slave masters.

Something to think about: A shop owner is forced to pay protection money to the Mob. Who are they being protected from? The mob, obviously.

The Legions' goals might be admirable, but their methods leave alot to be desired.

Well, I was thinking like, what if there is a class system and reward/punishment system?
Maybe not for Legion but for another slave using society.
A higher class of slave is still a slave but he/she might be treated a lot better and get a way more comfortable assignment.
While a lower class slave is one that has to walk around in the mud carrying tons of equipment and eventually break their back.

So now, if you're a good little dog, and do what your masters tell you to do, and you do a good job, they might take a liking to you and upgrade you in class.
You might get a better assignment or just treated better generally.

While if you're a disobedient little vermin then they will whip you and punch you and forcefully intercourse you and stuff.

With this system you only have yourself to blame if you get treated badly.
Sure you're still a slave and sure slavery is wrong, but if you're a good slave you'll get treated better.

Since we haven't seen a Legion town and only heard "some" of how their slaves are treated generally this is what I would like to see for Legion in a DLC in the future.
We would have slaves that are treated good and those that are treated bad but it's their own fault for being treated bad in the first place.

Remove a few words and you just described the NCR.

As opposed to the NCR's goals that aren't admirable and whose methods leave a lot to be desired?

So a House Slave & Field Slave? Its been done.

So you have more respect for a man that leads an army of slavers, burns towns down and kills most and enslaves the rest over a people that atleast try to gain power by other means? A faction that stops slavers. The people of the Wasteland don't like NCR because they bring Taxes (which every society needs) as well as big business. They may lose their freedom as in no longer their lands but at least they don't lose their litteral freedom by being killed or enslaved.

Problem with your anology is that The NCR doesn't just go around killing or enslaving civilians because they want to. Even if they are a bit bloated, they try to maintain a bit of order in what could easily become chaotic world.

The NCR Government needs to bring in revenue (even in real life this is true) in the name of taxes, which is what the citizens of Primm found out (depending on which way you do the quest) Revenue is essential to survival, always has been. These taxes are not "protection money," in the sense that they will protect you from those who wish to do you harm; meaning them. That is not their role. The sort of protection they offer is from the likes of The Powder Gangers, The Legion, and even The Fiends. I can't really say that the Great Khans are much of a threat to anyone, but the Legion is a threat to anyone who doesn't agree with them, or doesn't measure up to their standards.

The Legion don't enslave and kill everybody. In fact, in most circumstances they only kill and enslave those who do not recognize them as their leaders. The Legion's goal is to rule and protect the people of the Mojave. The NCR's goal is to extract wealth from and attempt to protect the people of the Mojave.

The NCR may try to bring order but the Legion is order. And unlike the NCR, they can actually produce results.

Yeah, and they do a bloody great job, too.

the ncr spreads laws to make their crimes legal

The first part is a real problem. The NCR doesn't just kill anyone that doesn't recognize them as their leaders, it's live and let live; you don't have to like us, but we're not out to kill you.

The second part has been edited to remove personal opinion and get to bare facts. It appears that they have similar goals, but their methods are completely different. Given the choice, I'll take the NCR's inefficient rule over the Legion's totalitarian rule any day.

remove a few words from my last sentence and this is what you get: Given the choice, I'll take the NCR's rule over the Legion's rule any day. (see? personal opinion can change an entire thought).

Yes, Yes they do enslave and kill everyone, even those that recoginze them as leader. Guessing you never got http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Karl_(Fallout:_New_Vegas) mad in front of Papa Khan or read his secret notes.In short Caesar was going to double cross the Khans. Break them up, enslave the women and force the tribe to breed with other people within the Legion. Just like he does with every tribe he takes over.

NCR's laws are much like the ones of modern- day America.

I'm sorry, but are you actually saying that my personal opinion doesn't matter, but yours is fact?

I can't speak for barrettsfloyd and I am not saying your opinions don't matter but it is fact. NCR does not go in Guns firing to get what they want. Vault City they tried talking for along time but then got Mercs whos job it was to force Vault City into asking NCR for Help. Mercs were not to just take over the place. Job was to cause enough trouble then back off. NCR did not just take the Stip but they could have. They made a Deal with Mr.House and don't think its because those Robots keep NCR from taking it. They just want to do it bloodless. NCR can take it because they have dozens of troops in side Vegas. Would not be hard to just shoot up the place and blast their way into Lucky 38.

Legion break apart any tribe they take over even ones that make deals with the Legion. They were not going ot keep that deal with the Great Khans. They Legion don't let women have a role other then make babies and cook and I doubt they get any say in who will be the father or cook for.

you are reading too much into what I said...and this part of the conversation has now ended. :bolt:

That wasnt based on behavior, just skin color.

Just to clarify I don't support everything the Legion does, such as attempts to backstab the Khans. But I'm pretty sure they only do that to tribes and gangs, not settlements that will agree to become citizens of the Legion.

I think you just found the anology that obsidion was going for with the NCR, if you get what I mean.

As for my opinion,(and since the legion was so poorly shown in this game,Im goin off what Ive seen, and I actualy like Mr House anyway),but Id have to go with NCR. I cant see the legion lasting to long, past civilizations have tried brutal styles of government, and they dont work.Not saying NCR dont have probs, NCRs government does not match old American gov, but the new one, as in to big,and to corrupt to run as good as it could, but they still get some things done.Plus, indeviduals can thrive under NCR,wich is, usualy, a good thing.

The Legion and their ideologies make me laugh.
If you REALLY think about it, they're a bunch of little boys playing "Big Roman Empire" and even dressing the part.

To me they're just a bunch of idiots, who dress like idiots, act like idiots, treat women like idiots,
(I wasn't allowed to Fight in the Arena in the camp because my character is a Woman),
and are a group of sixist, misogynistic, "boys with their toys", goofballs that like Cosplay.

@Elvis, the legion does it to everybody.

You think they'd roll into Vegas and leave the women alone and not treat them like livestock?

Actually, after seeing what they did to Nipton, they would slaughter everyone in Vegas to the last Man, Woman and Child,
because they would think that the people of Vegas are "Immoral", all the while ignoring their own "Immorality"
by slaughtering people for not having the same beliefs as them.....

Jeez, it's starting to sound like the real world now......

Settlements Tribes whats the difference? Legion don't want women in power. So they enslave them. True we have not seen any towns or cities and I hope we do. It would be nice to see Legion Rebuilding and seeing women not in chains.

Based on what we know about the Legion fron New Vegas they don't have women in any role other then slave. They break up any tribe they come across. Caesars only goal seems to be take down the NCR.

Also I am not saying people that like the Legion are bad people, I know its a game.

The only primary source of information in regards to settlements under Legion control is, to my knowledge Raul. And he says the Legion really cleaned up Arizona.