The Great Khans? While ultimately backstabbed, they did become integrated into the Legion as expected. I see no issue here.

If remaining loyal to the Legion and they win the battle for the dam of course.

caesar knows that the khans are drug runners, so if he does backstab them it wouldnt be a surprise

Legion does bring Order its the only redeeming quality. They remove the scum of the wasteland and they make things safe for merchants. Downside is, they enslave women, break apart families and their does not seem to be any laws. They killed everyone in Nipton in some very brutal ways making kids watch as their father is burned alive type stuff. Why because they were "bad."

When it comes down to who is better for the Mojave and its people, its NCR for the Win.

If I saw them building, making art and have a role for women other then slaves then I would see them in a different light.

Yeah, perhaps using the Khans as an example wasn't great as they're drug suppliers.

they became extinct in my game, the NCR made me do it

it's only a game.

I fully support the attack on Nipton. I've said it many times, but I agree that the unfair treatment of women is unnecessary.

But the Legion are very much in "war mode". Judging from the limited amounts of information received I'm under the impression the wouldn't use slaves nearly to the extent they do during NV if it all were the to gain power.

That might be the case. Once they control overything they might stop using slaves as much as they do.

Still what is Caesar's Goals? He only seems hell bent on conquering his way to the Pacific and bringing an end to NCR. When he dies the next "Caesar" could be alot worse then him. Things for Rome weren't so great after Julius Caesar died. It was pretty much down hill from there.

Legion may end up making things a "good place" years after they conquer the Mojave but how long will the war last with NCR? I am geussing generations. Legion is going to be in "War Mode" for a very long time. The people of the Mojave will be long dead or enslaved by then. The people that move in after the Legion cleanse the place might be better off but not the current population.

With such a heavy loss, I honestly doubt war is really an option for the NCR, considering the shabby state they were already in before the 2nd battle.

Caesar's goal? He wants to re-create the dream that is Rome. That is what the Legion ultimately serve.

The crucified slaves outside Cottonwood Cove? Talk to Canyon Runner about the Weathers family? What about the slaves you get to kill in the Arena? Talk to Miri at the Fort? The game would be rated AO if they explored in any detail what life was really like for Legion slaves ....I also doubt the devs wanted to do Fallout : Hostel meets Saw meets Caligula...so they allude to it and let the player read between the lines. Typically, a lot of people use that decision to delude themselves that they're "helping" the people of the Mojave by delivering them to the Legion.

Saying the Legion is in "War Mode" and will settle down once they conquer everyone is like saying Hilter and
his army would've mellowed out after they took over the entire continent, then they would've just maxed out relaxing, acting all cool,
playing B-ball outside of the school....

Once a Mad Man, always a Mad Man, do people honestly think Caesar would stop, once he took over the pacific area?
Hell no, he'd then set his sights East, the oppression under Caesar and the Legion would never end, because ideologies such as his
can never rest or end.

I just can't believe that there are people actually arguing FOR the Legion.....

I'm just gonna disregard the whole Godwin's law shiz you just pulled and say: no, the Mojave will undoubtedly not be the last region the Legion will try to conquer. Lanius even has hopes of one day conquering California, which would certainly be interesting.

And yes, the Legion IS in War Mode, because all you get to see is their war camps. And yes, I also believe Legion is best suited for ruling the Mojave (A shame about Mr. House, he was quite a cool cat).

true. we never seen arizona which is where the legion comes from and is not in war mode

Yeah, right....most likely thier economy, like the real Roman Empire, is based on cheap slave labor....and once they run out of people they can conquer and the intake of fresh slaves dries up they will be in trouble.



Anyone actually listen to what Caesar says? The Mojave is just the beginning....Caesar's end goal is the conquest and destruction of the NCR.

barrettsfloyd@

"- I'm not so sure that would be the case. I don't think they'd stop unless forced to." I agree

" - Meet the new boss, same as the old boss?" I don't think that would be the case, none of Ceasers "goons" look like they would have the same leadership as Caesar or would have let the Followers go.

" -If I remember Rome had about 400 - 500 years worth of life left in it. Granted they had a long slow decline, but Julius Caesar's time was about the peak of Romes power." Like I said all down hill from there but yea 400 years is along time.

"-Most likely neither side will be able to afford a war that long." War. War never changes. A war is started for the control of the West. Its a war of ideology and its already started. There maybe be pauses but I doubt they will live in peace together.

" - yet the slavery continues." It does continue because slaves can be breed. All the people working for the "Great Leader."


People say Caesar's goal is to rebuild the glory of the Roman Empire. There was another man in history that had the same goal, Benito Mussolini. We have not seen any sign that Caeser is rebuilding anything, would be nice yes but as of now all we are going by is the idea that he is.

I'll ignore the Godwins Law remark, because that's not what I was going for.
What other example would fit as well?
I can think of one other example that's happening today, but it would be "Politically Incorrect".......
The fact that Woman have no place in the Legion's Society in their War camps, only reflects their status
in their "Civilization" too.

If Women were revered of even treated equally, then they wouldn't be singled out as six-slaves,
working slaves and gang-[censored], therefore, the Legion thinks very little of Women, whether in "War Mode" or not.

women usually take on the role as priestess and take care of the infants, in Arizona

Armies had concubines in ancient times and they captured and gave women away like cattle yet at home the women ruled the nest so you mean to tell me that that cannot be the same as the legion. (it's in the Iliad)

I'm aware of women's general role in the Legion, I still don't cast the Legion aside because of that.

I'm going to be serious now for a while.

Saying that the Legion is in war mode, almost defeats your arguement.
As technically we only see the NCR in war mode.
If you compare their two ideas of warfare, both fail but NCR fails far less.

I'll try not to get into spoilers, at least none that have not been mentioned serveral times on this topic.

Bittersprings, the kings, Jacobs town, the followers, Khans at the end, House, Goodsprings, BoS The centurian at McCarran, the NCRCF.
All under the NCR at its worst are bad
If you take the view that without the player the worst outcome would happen, and that everything was one sided.

Vs.

Nipton, the Omertas, the fiends, the Khans, Nelson, Searchlight, The random family in Cottonwood Cove, the ranger station, the white gloves, Novac, the Boomers, the BoS, House.
Primm, the radioactive mines, ok that's all I can rember off the top of my head.
Most of these were not commited or planned with your help, they were intentional and specific.

The Legion at war is worse than the NCR at war, even if the NCR is just trying to protect its own assets.
They're protecting most of other factions lives and security too.
You can say they're trying to claim a swift victory to save lives, however their actions all equate to the worst way for anyone but themselves.

I waz teh lolrus, and i haz a bucket.

Well said, and as we know, NCR already IS in New Vegas on the strip, and notice there are no heads on spikes,
corpses burning on a pile of tires, and nobody is crucified.

The Legion would undoubtedly kill EVERYONE on the entire strip, for the same reason they
took it upon themselves to impose their 'moral judgement' on Nipton.

At least the people on the strip are living ALONGSIDE the NCR.
The people who survived the slaughter or "Lottery" given by the Legion, would be living UNDER the Legion....

How people can support that ideology is messed up, no matter how many excuses you make for it, it is still wrong.

Heh.... You really think the Legion would just steamroll through the entire Mojave, crucifying and kill everyone they happen across? I can honestly say I support what happened at Nipton. Filled to the brim with the scum of Mojave and a bastard of mayor.

And when I say "war mode" I refer to the fact that you get no insight into Legion civilization, unlike the NCR.

Not everyone......Caesar tasks the Courier to deliver the White Gloves a very generous offer. All they have to do is help administer his new Empire...in exchange they not only keep thier freedom, they are allowed to resume thier habit of eating thier enemies. I'm sure the Omertas will get a nasty shock when they find out what the reward for thier treachery is, though.



They'll kill whover resists and crucify some more as a object lesson.......but most of the survivors will be enslaved because the Legion needs slaves to function.

It's wrong for you, don't impose your judgement on the rest of us. Like I've said before, I'd much rather have a ruler that does something, not live somewhere where the leaders are a joke.