Legion vs NCR? Debate #3

Post » Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:33 am

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1158473-legion-or-ncr-debate/

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1160189-legion-or-ncr-debate-2/

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While I've seen many threads on factions on the first page and one about the four main choices I'd like to know which faction you believe the Mojave needs: The Legion or the NCR.

I'm Pro-Legion in this regard. I think it's a decision of living a tough life with the Legion or not living at all. It actually took me a playthrough to support the Legion. At first I was Anti-Legion (just ask Caesar's limbless body) but I began to see them as ruthless protectors. Now, Obsidian did kind of put them in half-assedly and they're probably not the most fun faction to play as, so this is more about who you believe would do better as leaders of New Vegas in teh realz lyfe.

And I apologise if this thread has actually been done and I haven't seen it, I just find it a very interesting topic.


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Yeah I think he has a factory for them but resources?
I dunno about that.
He might run out of them, if NCR collapses then he won't be able to get much from the west side of Vegas and he definitely won't be getting any from the east.
So how will he get resources to create more? (When and "if" they run out.)



EH, he may be good enough to just reuse the parts until it's finally worthless.



What if he can't get the parts or the parts are broken completely? (Like say if some legionnaires have some fun with one of them then bring it back with them to use themselves, or maybe just trash the thing and set it on fire.)



Then it's one resource usage less for House..

Though, seeing all the Securitrons I would believe that they have a steady supply of them for 50 years.



It's possible he steals from Legion and/or NCR. Well, not in his state that he's a sitting duck, but possibly his Securitions go out and take cables, chips, wheels, plates, tv screens etc...

With all their replenashable supplies, House will never fall. However, the Courier surprisingly seems to bypass this and kill or disable him.



Yup, but it depends on what happens after the second battle at Hoover Dam really.
What if Van Graffs wants to control Vegas all of the sudden?
They definitely have the means to kill securitrons, all they need is manpower.
So I dunno, I still think House will run out of securitrons sooner or later, might be 10 years, might be 200 more.
Still, I don't find him to be anything more than a greedy diaper wearing old sod that needs to be put out of his misery. :laugh:



Good point I'll use the ol' pony trick of taking a quote out of context to make my point..

"We have enough money and manpower for a small army".. Gloria ah ah Van G.

Not enough to take on NCR before the dam, but House only can do that with his securitrons after the dam as well.
Unless he raises an army outside of NCR / CL lands, a private trading firm with vast pockets and already set up multinationally could take him on.



This thread filled up fast :o I don't really have much to say about the topic atm really. :sadvaultboy:



Try to be pro Yes Man. :P

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Post » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:34 pm

This topic was clearly popular because of the charismatic genius who began it.
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Post » Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:55 am

This topic was clearly popular because of the charismatic genius who began it.


Still don't understand why the OP of the second thread wasn't you. :shrug:
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Post » Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:04 am

This topic was clearly popular because of the charismatic genius who began it.

You mean president Kimball?

Speaking of which, has anyone passed judgement as to which leader by himself would be best.

I mean no spoilers but the only one likely to last without player help is House, and he's neither faction.
If Kimball and Caesar duked it out in any form of arena, who would you say would last.
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Post » Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:30 am

This topic was clearly popular because of the charismatic genius who began it.

:evil: It's mine now!

... Can I haz thread? /cute goldfish

(Edited in your OP in my OP so we can OP while we OP. :P )

Aaaanyway, to spark up some conversation.

NCR supporters, how about hearing why NCR won't fall under it's own fat greedy weight? :hubbahubba:
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Post » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:40 am

Still don't understand why the OP of the second thread wasn't you. :shrug:


I wasn't online when the first topic wrapped up.
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:evil: It's mine now!

... Can I haz thread? /cute goldfish

(Edited in your OP in my OP so we can OP while we OP. :P )

Aaaanyway, to spark up some conversation.

NCR supporters, how about hearing why NCR won't fall under it's own fat greedy weight? :hubbahubba:


The NCR will eventually fall, but not because of the Legion, but maybe because of House stealing all their weapons and supplies and putting them for his use. Then the NCR will fight House (dunno, his Securitions will brutaly masacre every ranger, one by one.) and the NCR will fail the battle. The very few survivors will be forced to join the Legion. Don't worry epicness1, this won't happen anytime in the near future. Maybe in 2300 when the Legion defeat the NCR at Hoover Dam. The NCR will be all "Waaah! Another lost territory!" and start killing everything in sight. The Courier is gonna be all "WHAT THE HELL GUYS? BITTERSPRINGS ALL OVER AGAIN!" and kill President Kimball, resulting in the NCR to get even angrier and kill themselves, resulting in them to lose in the battle of Vegas because of the lack of soldiers...

This would make a nice fan fic... :laugh:

Wait, what was I talking about...?
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The NCR will eventually fall, but not because of the Legion, but maybe because of House stealing all their weapons and supplies and putting them for his use. Then the NCR will fight House (dunno, his Securitions will brutaly masacre every ranger, one by one.) and the NCR will fail the battle. The very few survivors will be forced to join the Legion. Don't worry epicness1, this won't happen anytime in the near future. Maybe in 2300 when the Legion defeat the NCR at Hoover Dam. The NCR will be all "Waaah! Another lost territory!" and start killing everything in sight. The Courier is gonna be all "WHAT THE HELL GUYS? BITTERSPRINGS ALL OVER AGAIN!" and kill President Kimball, resulting in the NCR to get even angrier and kill themselves, resulting in them to lose in the battle of Vegas because of the lack of soldiers...

This would make a nice fan fic... :laugh:

Wait, what was I talking about...?


Do you prefer the Legion or the NCR in New Vegas, because I'm kinda seeing mixed signals.
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Post » Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:13 am

Do you prefer the Legion or the NCR in New Vegas, because I'm kinda seeing mixed signals.


Why don't they make a truce? :laugh: Never going to happen, I know.

Anyways, I go with NCR but I would fight for Caesar any day. Except Sunday, I go dancing in Vegas. :dance:
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Why don't they make a truce? :laugh: Never going to happen, I know.

Anyways, I go with NCR but I would fight for Caesar any day. Except Sunday, I go dancing in Vegas. :dance:

lol thats great do you gamble gamble
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If Legion didn't take the Dam full on I could see an alternate way for them.
They took the south by taking over Nelson and Cottonwood Cove and by killing Searchlight with radiation.
They could easily take the North but sending rafts over the lake during night and take Bitter Springs.
And they have the Khans from the west that supports them as well.
So even if they don't take the dam full on I could see them surrounding NCR from all sides and cornering the Dam and taking it that way.
Quite frankly, it seems like a much better tactic than just charging ahead like they do in the final mission.

lol thats great do you gamble gamble

Hmm, gambling gambling games.
Now you can win money while you win money by gambling while you gamble. (Too many Yo Dawg meme's for me...)
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Post » Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:33 am

woot! back for round 3.
that second thread ended fast
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Post » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:08 pm

So where's all the NCR fans? They should out-number Legion fans by 2:1.

I do wonder what a Legionary would look like if they got the same cover treatment as the NCR vets.
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So where's all the NCR fans? They should out-number Legion fans by 2:1.

I do wonder what a Legionary would look like if they got the same cover treatment as the NCR vets.


I'd say 2x or 3x more badass than the Ranger Vets.
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woot woot ncr fan right here
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woot woot ncr fan right here


Silence you.
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So where's all the NCR fans? They should out-number Legion fans by 2:1.

I do wonder what a Legionary would look like if they got the same cover treatment as the NCR vets.


Only face mask apart from Lanius is a cap with a face wrap, FO does not do Hoodies..
Especially not on the cover art.
Honestly only the NCR has a new cool deathmask in common ( more common ) use, so it's obvious they went with it.

Plus if the legion was given the focus on the cover, most of the legion guys here would support the NCR just to be awkard.
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Plus if the legion was given the focus on the cover, most of the legion guys here would support the NCR just to be awkard.


...What?
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Post » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:13 am

@havelock- sixually abusing a child, torturing me and I mean pulling fingernails, hot pins in your body, beating or killing a child in a savage way I.e. Fire of anyone in that matter, there are lots of things a hell of a lot worse than slavery.
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@havelock- sixually abusing a child, torturing me and I mean pulling fingernails, hot pins in your body, beating or killing a child in a savage way I.e. Fire of anyone in that matter, there are lots of things a hell of a lot worse than slavery.

thats just [censored] up man
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thats just [censored] up man

Worse than slavery though.
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Post » Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:17 am

Worse than slavery though.

That's what I was going for. There's other things I can't even imagine that I know happen everyday that includes drugs, mothers, and their johns and their children, :shudders:

Edit: I was watching Law and Order: UK where a mom was beat up by her John and didn't wake up for six hours (her ten year old daughter was in the same house) so no telling what could have happened to that little girl.
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Post » Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:41 pm

they may be slaves but they got protection.
their basically working for their safety.
and yes their are things far worse than slavery
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they may be slaves but they got protection.
their basically working for their safety.
and yes their are things far worse than slavery


Protection from who? Who protects them from their slave masters?
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Post » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:28 am

Protection from who? Who protects them from their slave masters?


Excuse me, at what point in the game does it say Caesar abuses slaves?
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