you forgot the most important thing to the Khans is their identity, being assimilated into the legion, for them, is worse than if they were wiped out, because then they were at least wiped out as Khans.

Yes, you're right. Killing innocent women and children >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enslaving women. The Legion don't enslave children.

they just brainwash them and force them into the army.

And for some reason, you think that the NCR wouldn't want to do that...?


In fact, the NCR Colonel at the Damn want's you to wipe out the Great Khans.


Doesn't even want to try diplomecy.

Have you even played FO2? You say women and Children don't live in areas full of drugs and gambling. I gave you two locations that show that they do, The Den and New Reno. I am not grasping at straws. You just don't want to face the fact that women and children can live in areas like Nipton.

Re-read my post, the Khans value their identity as a clan over everything else, and being assimilated into the legion would destroy that. They would prefer annhialation to assimilation.

Right...Disregarding the fact you just pulled that out of your rectum, bro.






Whew, I thought for a second you were actually using real life Las Vegas as an example for a sec. I'm not denying that a family may have lived in Nipton, but everything points towards the opposite.

Apparently not, considering how they bow down to Caesar with the Legion's ending.

In the Legion ending it says "Though the Khans mourn the death of their tribe. Most were ultimantly satisfied with their revenge aginst NCR"

Which means that the Khans are no more, they are wiped out. (If the Legion take power) Their wives will be forced to mate with other men of the legion to breed the Khan out of them.

Lol....

Mr. Body Massage Machine already beat you and me to it...



....And that they are perfectly fine with that...

But you're refusing to face the fact that there was no mention nor sight of a child at Nipton...

Great Khan's Breaking of the Treaty with Caesar and siding with the NCR:



Sounds strangly familiar....

mournful
mourn·ful (m?rnfl, mrn-)
adj.
1. Feeling or expressing sorrow or grief; sorrowful.
2. Causing or suggesting sadness or melancholy

just because some of them were satisfied, it doesnt mean they were fine.

And is ultimately just a pathetic attempt at demonizing the Legion further.




SOME of them were satisfied with it? We're talking majority, broseph. But you made it out to be as if it was the worst fate the GK's could possible suffer, which is frankly just silly.

We know what it means.


But there's nothing that say's 'Refusing to be wiped out, the Great Khans fought a desperate last battle against Caesar's Legion!'

It say's 'Well, some Great Khans were sad, other's where happy with the NCR being wiped out, but they still joined the Legion.'

not joined, forcibly integrated, most likely any Khan that still wanted to be a Khan was killed.

Didn't they? Ever stop by the 1st NCR Sharpshooters and talk to Sgt. Bitter Root, who was one of the Khan non-combatants at Bitter Springs? The NCR certainly screwed up....but if the Khans hadn't burned up any goodwill they had with anyone outside thier Tribe long before things wouldn't have gone down at Bitter Springs the way they did. When you talk to the Khans, you're talking to the survivors who had to have the concept that there are benefits to showing compassion and respect for others beaten into them by first House and the Three Families then the NCR. If you encourage them to seek thier destiny elsewhere they take what they've learned to heart and prosper in thier new home. Before Bitter Springs...all the way back to FO1...they were little better than the Fiends.

Hopefully in the Honest hearts dlc, that is what we will see. I get tired of the people arguing against the legion based only on what we know from war camps however you dress it up, war is never pretty, the difference is thats all we see of the legion.


And the NCR wants to rebuld the American government who went on to invade canada, and start WW3.


Oh thats great. So what will they do when more raiders show up ?
Alos look at it this way, say that you play an ncr character and only complete the MQ, what happens ?
FOTA evicted.
Fiends overrun mccaren
Powdergangers run rampant
freeside still in conflict
primm left undefended.
House, the only one building and keeping the strip opperating dead.

That paint a very grim picture of the Mojaves future.

No house means the strip has less order, and no one to make sure everything is running as it should.
The violence in freeside results in the kings being wiped out, less order in freeside.
This causes freeside to collapse, as the followers were exiled, and no one can help freeside. Thugs control the streets.
Primm is wiped out.
powdergangers kill any traders, crippleing the trade in the mojave, worsening any problems due to more fighting over supplies.
Fiends rule outer vegas, and continue killing everyone.

The ncr is unable to maintain order. Society fails, and power is pretty much handed over to the raiders.

The legionhowever just wipes out all resistance. Making the wasteland safe.


Yes, because only the ncr can run the dam *rolls eyes* becuase the legion are all uninteligent tribals who just kill people with machetes and spears./sarcasm.
The legion arent dumb.


Boulder city showdown, they are ordered to kill khans despite you negotiating freedom.
Also it changes nothing, Boone is a snipe, he sees what he is shooting at, he knew they were childern. But in ncr fashion, did it anyway.
Atleast the legion dosent sink that low, hey enslave kids and make them legion, but they dont shoot them like animals, no thats how ncr works.

Its a Settlement a good size town. There will be children there. Legion could have taken them long before we get there.

Just going by what we have seen of NCR and the Legion. NCR is the better pick for control. They don't enslave, they have democracy, they build, they educate, they don't torture POWs.

Just going by what we see and heard of the Legion. They Enslave women and have their way with them. They destroy every tribe they come across. They do make order but only after they wipe out or decimate the population, enslave.

*Facepalm*



Doesn't seem to mention any Khan's resisting.

So you believe that the Khans, despite the endgame slides saying the Khans were largely all right with being integrated into the Legion, suffered more alive in the Legion then they would have at the hands of the NCR?

Right....

That would most definitely have been mentioned....*sigh*

@this isnt my name

You raise an EXCELLENT point about the Boulder City Showdown and the NCR's order to kill the Great Khans despite the negotiation.

Control?

Oh yea, because the Powder Gangers (Both Vault 19 and Normal ones), Fiends, Khans, Omertas, Kings totally aren't a problem for the NCR, even after the game finishes.

Well, the Omertas are wiped out; but not by the NCR, of course.

Yes, the NCR killed kids once, the Legion ALWAYS enslaves kids, women, and kills all who oppose it. NCR killed a village or raiders that had seriousl worn through all mercy, one time.