Legion vs NCR? Debate #4

Post » Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:24 am

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1158473-legion-or-ncr-debate/

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1160189-legion-or-ncr-debate-2/

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1160777-legion-vs-ncr-debate-3/

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While I've seen many threads on factions on the first page and one about the four main choices I'd like to know which faction you believe the Mojave needs: The Legion or the NCR.

I'm Pro-Legion in this regard. I think it's a decision of living a tough life with the Legion or not living at all. It actually took me a playthrough to support the Legion. At first I was Anti-Legion (just ask Caesar's limbless body) but I began to see them as ruthless protectors. Now, Obsidian did kind of put them in half-assedly and they're probably not the most fun faction to play as, so this is more about who you believe would do better as leaders of New Vegas in teh realz lyfe.

And I apologise if this thread has actually been done and I haven't seen it, I just find it a very interesting topic.


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I'm not arguing against what happened at Boulder City. Whether or not Searchlight was a "main battle" or not is completely irrelevant, it's still war. However, arguing against the Legion's actions is just silly.



Wouldn't it be better to try and chip away at the enemy as much as possible before the main battle?
In order to break down morale, equipment, supply lines and holding points?



yes but search light happened like 4 yours ago right in the game or so something like that if im wrong correct me. But anyways the story line you get to pick witch side and camp searchlights destruction really at all didnt play a important part to the second major battle of hoover dam



Well. Maybe not to the main battle, but due to killing of Nelson and Searchlight Legion got a foothold into the Mojave through Cottonwood Cove.
Frankly, they don't "need" the dam at all.
They could just force their troops through cottonwood cove and over Lake Mead through rafts and then sabotage stuff until the NCR weakens enough and has to pull out.
I think the only reason that Legion attacks the dam is cause they needed to place all endings final stage at the same place, the dam.



What would you have the Legion do instead? Should they just leave Searchlight alone?



Well the legion sends a quick bloody message all the time to damage morale of the troops, it has everything to do with the war in general really, Vulpus planted the bomb undetected and then the whole place is a green haze, hugely damaging to NCR morale.



yah but you forgot you can take back nelson from the legion if you help the NCR. so that would mean they only have cottonwood cove and one of the ranger stations is looking after that(but the legion would slaughter those people there at that ranger station like they did at charlie).



Well yes but if the courier never came along then the NCR would never have taken Nelson back, the NCR always need the help of a mail man in these times :/.



Well thats irrelivent as whoever has the courier wins.
Dead sea could have taken forlorn hope, but decides its better not to, and just asks you kill thier leaders.

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General Lee Oliver: throwing his name out for discussion. I find him to be a piggy backer on the NCR rangers and couriers back.
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why do we have to post in here now
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why do we have to post in here now

Old thread burned out.
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why do we have to post in here now

Threads get locked at 200 posts.
Hence, post here. :)
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Old thread burned out.

oh ok is there like a limit of how many posts you can put into it
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@Epic- Threads have a 200 Post limit.

On Topic: You raise a point Sapper, besides, on the assumption the NCR wins the dam without The Courier intervening, Oliver should nowhere near deserve any praise, as Mr. House put it, Olivers 'strategy' is nothing more than going into a straight out slugging match, so on the 3:1 shot the NCR DOES win, there would be massive life losses that the question of saying that the NCR was 'victorious' is questionable. The problem is, Kimball and Oliver are willing to throw men at the problem like canon fodder.

The Legion however, my problem is their barbaric savagery, it's not their tribal roots I despise, but rather they unorthodox pillaging, my problem with the Legion is more philisophical. Why in the hell should we start over in stick huts and gecko skins when we can easily use Pre-War tech to rebuild at a safer and more efficient rate.
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@Epic- Threads have a 200 Post limit.

On Topic: You raise a point Sapper, besides, on the assumption the NCR wins the dam without The Courier intervening, Oliver should nowhere near deserve any praise, as Mr. House put it, Olivers 'strategy' is nothing more than going into a straight out slugging match, so on the 3:1 shot the NCR DOES win, there would be massive life losses that the question of saying that the NCR was 'victorious' is questionable. The problem is, Kimball and Oliver are willing to throw men at the problem like canon fodder.

The Legion however, my problem is their barbaric savagery, it's not their tribal roots I despise, but rather they unorthodox pillaging, my problem with the Legion is more philisophical. Why in the hell should we start over in stick huts and gecko skins when we can easily use Pre-War tech to rebuild at a safer and more efficient rate.

exactly thats the problem i have with there so savage and uncivilized i wouldnt even know what the hell they would do to the dam after they would capture it.
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Stick huts? Have you seen Fortification Hill? It's quite a work of art.
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Stick huts? Have you seen Fortification Hill? It's quite a work of art.

yah maybe for a rat. they still just have tents and stick huts. they dont even really have a bunker its pretty bad
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Why in the hell should we start over in stick huts and gecko skins when we can easily use Pre-War tech to rebuild at a safer and more efficient rate.

The Fort is a temporary military camp, there are tons of occasions throughout modern history where armies has used tents as temporary camps.
Same with Cottonwood Cove, it's not a permanent location, only a temporary location to get a foothold into the Mojave.
And at Nelson they do use the houses.
And they use a lot of other tech but since we've only seen their military forces all we can see is their military tech.
There isn't anything to support that they absolutely hates technology.
Just that they don't believe that they should rely on it "too" much.
Still, does not mean that their savages. ;)
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Last time I checked there was still a war. searchlight is an enemy camp. I dont see how you can say its any different to boulder. But then again through these threads just just seem to hate legion. So im going to assume this is terrible because itsthe legion who did it, despite it being exactly like the ncr tactics.


Pro NCR posts, Styles, Barret something Floyd, Okie, Occam, epicness1, Tiberius67, Gorbad.
Pro Legion posts, Gabriel, sappeteet, Madvilian, Bil Nye, Mexican candy, Praetorian, Traci bear.
Swing votes. Colonel Martie.
Pithy - ing around, moi.

Plus Boulder dam was planned and executed to plan, no mention of civilian casulties has ever been made ( or not that I've heard of anyway. )
So good money on an evacuation at least being tried.
Searchlight night attack, dirty bomb, mass radiation and there is in game evidence of a comunity or at least trade with the area.

Gahhh hot topics getting locked, retyped from scratch..
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The Fort is a temporary military camp, there are tons of occasions throughout modern history where armies has used tents as temporary camps.
Same with Cottonwood Cove, it's not a permanent location, only a temporary location to get a foothold into the Mojave.
And at Nelson they do use the houses.
And they use a lot of other tech but since we've only seen their military forces all we can see is their military tech.
There isn't anything to support that they absolutely hates technology.
Just that they don't believe that they should rely on it "too" much.
Still, does not mean that their savages. ;)

umm yah they kinda are still even if they dont just use tents. fiends use a vualt and buildings and there savages
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umm yah they kinda are still even if they dont just use tents. fiends use a vualt and buildings and there savages


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No-one has seen Arizona in-game, so they could be sticks and huts or they could be buildings like in shady sands pre NCR, http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Reservation and might I add http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Caius_Drusus.
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Hell, they could be space shuttles for all we know.
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No-one has seen Arizona in-game, so they could be sticks and huts or they could be buildings like in shady sands pre NCR, http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Reservation and might I add http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Caius_Drusus

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yes... paranoia strikes deep into your lives it must creep.

I... don't get it :confused:
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Post » Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:52 am

exactly thats the problem i have with there so savage and uncivilized i wouldnt even know what the hell they would do to the dam after they would capture it.


Probably nothing at first, in Caeser's Ending it doesn't even mention the Dam, only New Vegas, the Dam is just the closest available bridge over to Vegas and it could be used later on, we have never even seen a Legion settlement.
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Probably nothing at first, in Caeser's Ending it doesn't even mention the Dam, only New Vegas, the Dam is just the closest available bridge over to Vegas and it could be used later on, we have never even seen a Legion settlement.

Legion DLC is so needed... Hopefully one of the DLC's will include a CL town.
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I... don't get it :confused:

its from- what its worth by buffalo Springfield( a Vietnam song that i love)
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its from- what its worth by buffalo Springfield( a Vietnam song that i love)

Ok, I have never heard of it but ok. :thumbsup:
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Ok, I have never heard of it but ok. :thumbsup:

you should really listen to it its good one of the best vietnam songs ever- off topic.
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Right.... Anyways, we got any topics left regarding as to why the NCR is better than the Legion or vice versa?
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Right.... Anyways, we got any topics left regarding as to why the NCR is better than the Legion or vice versa?

umm not really unless someone else has something to say
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