Legion or NCR? #5 : Fallout: New Vegas

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:57 pm

:blink: You sure don't rush across in massed formations.

How about loose formations? Covering fire? Basic tactics that have been around since WWI that Caesar rejects because he likes to emulate Rome far beyond what is healthy.

Formations won't help on a small bridge with no Cover.

You just rush across as quickly as you can.

And his ideas of sending in the newest recruits is a good idea.

And Caesar actually use's Artillery to try and weaken the NCR on the far side of the river.

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:33 am

I believe that both the legion and NCR have good intentions but the legion has a harsh way of doing things

they could get alot more people to like them if they were like the NCR. You catch alot more flys with Honey(NCR) than you do with vinager(CL)

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:07 am

While I am not 100% for the NCR, the legion's use of slavery is extremely uncivilized and the general principles of their society are thousands of years old (such as having 2 people fight to the death in an arena). There are better ways to train your army than by darwinism. Killing your own people is quite possibly the dumbest thing a society could do and just further proves how savage they are.

you do know that those were disobedient slaves right?

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:23 pm

what do you think the frumentarii do?
they destroy the monorail cutting off supplies.
and the omertas are used to weaken the strip and makes the troops there weak. that way when the legion attacks it will be swift and easy

What I am saying is Legion have the power to take most of the Mojave and drive NCR out of the Mojave without even touching the Dam. Caesar is just blinded by his lose at the dam and wants revenge.

Still this is going off topic.

NCR controls mojave things are better of the people. They are not enslaved. The Legion is gone and if you dealt with fiends and powder gangers in vault 19 things end up being pretty good but taxes

Legion take control they kill and enslave most of the population.

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:03 pm

Formations won't help on a small bridge with no Cover.

Er yes they will. A staggered loose formation with soldiers providing covering fire is going to take a lot less casualties than the massed columns Caesar loves.

You just rush across as quickly as you can.

Yes ideally you want to get your troops across the bridge as quickly as possible. That doesn't detract from the stupidity of using massed formations against an enemy well equipped with modern firearms.

And his ideas of sending in the newest recruits is a good idea.

Somewhat. They're really just functioning as a meatshield not exhausting and weakening the enemy as the real Romans did.

And Caesar actually use's Artillery to try and weaken the NCR on the far side of the river.

Well at least he's not a total moron.

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:53 pm

they could get alot more people to like them if they were like the NCR. You catch alot more flys with Honey(NCR) than you do with vinager(CL)

this is completely true.

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:56 pm

If you join the NCR its just not the taxes you have to worry about. Its the fiends, the powder gangers, all the little tribes that the NCR is incapable of destroying. Its the fact that the NCR is built of corrupt brahmin barons and beaurocrats. Its the fact that the NCR steps on smaller people to get what it wants, and chances are it will have a revolution. And you will probably get conscripted

With the legion you may get conscripted but you get to live in safety. im not sure what else the legion does [LEGION DLC PLZ?] :sadvaultboy:

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 5:14 pm

What I am saying is Legion have the power to take most of the Mojave and drive NCR out of the Mojave without even touching the Dam. Caesar is just blinded by his lose at the dam and wants revenge.

Oh, and how else would he move a entire army across a large canyon and river?

He need's the Dam to take over the rest of the Mojave.

EDIT: And Okie, it seemed to work fairly well for the Russians in WWII....

...Well, for the Russian's who weren't shot dead by Machine Gun fire...

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:14 pm

you do know that those were disobedient slaves right?

Otho says the young warriors try to impress Caesar by fighting captured NCR and even their own people. He then goes on to say that sometimes the slaves fight, but it's not much of a "show" then.

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:37 pm

If you join the NCR its just not the taxes you have to worry about. Its the fiends, the powder gangers, all the little tribes that the NCR is incapable of destroying. Its the fact that the NCR is built of corrupt brahmin barons and beaurocrats. Its the fact that the NCR steps on smaller people to get what it wants, and chances are it will have a revolution. And you will probably get conscripted

With the legion you may get conscripted but you get to live in safety. im not sure what else the legion does [LEGION DLC PLZ?] :sadvaultboy:

If you deal with them in the game NCR has an easy time. Fiends and Powder gangers are not a problem is you deal with them!. Giving up your rights and freedoms for safty then you don't' deserve eighter.

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:48 am

If you deal with them in the game NCR has an easy time. Fiends and Powder gangers are not a problem is you deal with them!

IF YOU DEAL WITH THEM.

That's the key point.

You need to help and babysit the NCR for the Powder Gangers and Fiends to be wiped out.

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:31 am

If you deal with them in the game NCR has an easy time. Fiends and Powder gangers are not a problem is you deal with them!. Giving up your rights and freedoms for safty then you don't' deserve eighter.

Even if you don't deal with them both the NCR and Legion perform just as well in dealing with the Powder Gangers. The Legion only has such an easy time with the Fiends because the Fiends devastate themselves attacking McCarran during the fight at Hoover Dam.

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:08 pm

If you join the NCR its just not the taxes you have to worry about. Its the fiends, the powder gangers, all the little tribes that the NCR is incapable of destroying. Its the fact that the NCR is built of corrupt brahmin barons and beaurocrats. Its the fact that the NCR steps on smaller people to get what it wants, and chances are it will have a revolution. And you will probably get conscripted

With the legion you may get conscripted but you get to live in safety. im not sure what else the legion does [LEGION DLC PLZ?] :sadvaultboy:

yes make a legion DLC so that half the people that play NV dont get it smart i idea i give hats off to you sir :facepalm: . You need a DLC where everyone will like it not just one group. thats why thiers choices

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:44 am

If you deal with them in the game NCR has an easy time. Fiends and Powder gangers are not a problem is you deal with them!. Giving up your rights and freedoms for safty then you don't' deserve eighter.

why are you bringing the courier into this?

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:23 am

Oh, and how else would he move a entire army across a large canyon and river?

He need's the Dam to take over the rest of the Mojave.

Cottonwood Cove and Camp search light seem like a very nice beach head to me. Legion just needed to do what the Allies did on D-Day. Make NCR think they are going to take the dam. Have alot of troop movements. Then one night storm across at cottowood with atleast half your forces. NCR would be in deep crap then.

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:48 pm

just throwin' this out there, I am still morally entirely opposed to the use of children in warfare, the Legion takes away the childhood, the freedom, the dignity (Veronica says that the Legion is full of rapists) and the lives of people.
NCR kills, yes. but they never kill innocent people. Bitter Springs was the tragic mistake of ONE captain (who IMO should have been court-martialed and executed). Nipton was full of prosttutes and Powder Gangers, but the endings suggest they don't just leave it at that.

Spoiler

After the Legion's victory, the new Caesar learned the Followers had "defamed" the original Caesar's noble origins. The Followers of the Apocalypse were hunted down and exterminated, and Old Mormon Fort was turned into a pile of rubble. CAESAR'S LEGION KILLS THE FotA

Spoiler

Hot-headed to the end, Sheriff Meyers choose to oppose Caesar's takeover of Primm with a standoff. Though the citizens take out a few Legionaries, the town quickly falls to Caesar, its citizens utterly wiped out.

Spoiler

Though Novac was a low-priority target for the Legion, many of Novac's citizens died in its defense. With no other communities coming to its defense, Novac would eventually fall to the Legion's persistent attacks.

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:45 pm

why are you bringing the courier into this?

Because nothing happens without the courier. Without the Vault Dweller everyone in the core region would be super mutants. Without the Chosen One enclave would have killed off the entire world. Without the Lone Wanderer well he did nothing.

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:55 pm

just throwin' this out there, I am still morally entirely opposed to the use of children in warfare, the Legion takes away the childhood, the freedom, the dignity (Veronica says that the Legion is full of rapists) and the lives of people.
NCR kills, yes. but they never kill innocent people. Bitter Springs was the tragic mistake of ONE captain (who IMO should have been court-martialed and executed). Nipton was full of prosttutes and Powder Gangers, but the endings suggest they don't just leave it at that.

Spoiler

After the Legion's victory, the new Caesar learned the Followers had "defamed" the original Caesar's noble origins. The Followers of the Apocalypse were hunted down and exterminated, and Old Mormon Fort was turned into a pile of rubble. CAESAR'S LEGION KILLS THE FotA

Spoiler

Hot-headed to the end, Sheriff Meyers choose to oppose Caesar's takeover of Primm with a standoff. Though the citizens take out a few Legionaries, the town quickly falls to Caesar, its citizens utterly wiped out.

Spoiler

Though Novac was a low-priority target for the Legion, many of Novac's citizens died in its defense. With no other communities coming to its defense, Novac would eventually fall to the Legion's persistent attacks.

pretty obvious. you attack the legion, the legion attacks back.
did you even see the other ending slides?

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:42 pm

Spoiler

After the Legion's victory, the new Caesar learned the Followers had "defamed" the original Caesar's noble origins. The Followers of the Apocalypse were hunted down and exterminated, and Old Mormon Fort was turned into a pile of rubble. CAESAR'S LEGION KILLS THE FotA

Spoiler

After the Legion's victory, Caesar, out of a strange respect for his old fellows, allowed the Followers safe passage out of the wasteland. Reluctantly, the Followers accepted the offer and abandoned Old Mormon Fort to the Legion.

The Legion only does that if Lanius is alive.

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:51 am

pretty obvious. you attack the legion, the legion attacks back.
did you even see the other ending slides?

yes all were pretty good for the NCR,Yes man, and House. More than i can say for CL. They sent to destroy goodsprings mmm seems like everyone hates the CL because no one likes there out of tech ways or ideas.

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 5:25 pm

Because nothing happens without the courier. Without the Vault Dweller everyone in the core region would be super mutants. Without the Chosen One enclave would have killed off the entire world. Without the Lone Wanderer well he did nothing.

the reason i ask is because i can just as easily use the courier as a defense.
obviously if the courier helps ncr the ncr wins. same goes with legion.
thats why bringing the courier into the debate is just useless.
and thats why the courier shouldnt be in the debate

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:49 pm

I have deleted a couple posts that have nothing to do with this topic or Fallout. Please keep the discussion on topic and keep World War 2 discussions out of it.

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:05 am

Even if you don't deal with them both the NCR and Legion perform just as well in dealing with the Powder Gangers. The Legion only has such an easy time with the Fiends because the Fiends devastate themselves attacking McCarran during the fight at Hoover Dam.

World of Difference. NCR does not enslave the population. NCR brings peace and the people can go on with their lives just now they pay taxes to NCR.

Legion come in an kill and Enslave most of the population.

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:58 am

Deleted OP, since it had something to do with WWII.

World of Difference. NCR does not enslave the population. NCR brings peace and the people can go on with their lives just now they pay taxes to NCR.

Legion come in an kill and Enslave most of the population.

The Legion doesn't kill people.

They enslave alot and peacefully rule over the rest.

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:51 pm

So if the Legion is the "best choice" for the Mojave then why do the Steam achievement stats (and thus the players) say otherwise?

No Gods, No Masters (Yes Man)- 14%
Eureka! (NCR)- 8.6%
All or Nothing (Mr. House)- 6.1%
Veni, Vidi, Vici (CL)- 2.9%

I think it is pretty clear the community views CL as savages, and thus chose not to side with them.