I meant a DLC where it shows you the cities of the legion. Where it might show you the legion view of things. So people wont just go, look they murder and [censored] they must be nazis and i must kill them all! We arnt told alot about the legion, all we see is war camps and ect.

Picture yourslef IRL as a villager of a small tribe in gaul in real life. Legionaries with Ceaser arrive and you defend youre home. The romans win and all youre brothers and friends are cruicified and [censored]. You will think the Romans are barbarians. You have no knowledge of Rome or the great achivements that have been made there. You just think that they are evil barbarians who liked killing and [censored].

Talk to Raul,about the legion. He has it right

I'm in full agreement with you that the NCR is far better than the Legion. I'm just saying that for everyone who claims the NCR can't deal with the Powder Gangers in fact both the Legion and the NCR perform just as well in dealing with the Powder Gangers regardless of the Courier.

The Legion only triumphs over the Fiends where the NCR couldn't because the Fiends mostly wipe themselves attacking McCarran. There's no evidence that Caesar would be able to defeat them so easily if that hadn't occurred.

Nothing happens without the courier.

Go a head and use him as a defence. Does not change the outcome for the Legion. He helps the Legion. Legion still comes in and enslaves most of the population.

He helps NCR and NCR drived the Legion out. NCR no longer has to deal with powder gangers or fiends. People live in peace and live their lives as normal just now under NCR.

Also would imply that most of the Steam Community either cheated or quite playing the game, before they finished it.

Which disgusted me, Caesar doesn't kill the Followers because heknows them. What if he'd have grown up in the Brotherhood? Then he'd exterminate the Followers and let the Brotherhood live. He only kills people he doesn't know too well. In my opinion he's a coward for that.

Yes indeed would you like to side with a bunch snip or someone that will actually protect you and be nice to you mmm i pick NCR they win my vote anyday.

Explain Arcade's ending then.

you are going in circles. Legion does kill people Nipton! the people on the crosses in front of the fort! Benny! Anyone that does not agree to join caesar.

Explain these two...

WHAT THE [censored] are you talking about you just cant fing accept that there is Clear evidence in this thread that NCR is better. where do you get your stats please tell me i would like to know this. You seem like you know everything there is about everything well you dont you just go around in circles trying to make arguement so you need to stop its annoying to the people that want a fair debate

how does those statistics prove that ncr is better?
that only proves that most people sided with the ncr.
does that make the ncr better? no.

*Facepalm*

Really?

No Gods, No Masters (Yes Man)- 14%+
Eureka! (NCR)- 8.6%+
All or Nothing (Mr. House)- 6.1%+
Veni, Vidi, Vici (CL)- 2.9%+
=
31.6%

Which leaves 68.4% of the community unaccounted for; and not to mention that only 94% of people that own the game completed the first quest.

I have no idea whats going on be here is the thing.

You say Legion does not kill yet clearly they do. Niption the damn crosses.

Enslaving is worce then Taxes.

Powder gangers and Fiends are not a problem if they are dealt with.

I admire youre dedication but now you are just going in circles.

Legion:Judging by the ending slides,Caesar and the Legate have....opposing views.Caesar is more compassionate than the Legate,as seen with the FotA.

NCR:Bunch of corrupt politicians.

Regardless of whether or not it represents the entire community you can see a clear trend. I'd like to look at PS3 and 360 stats but I don't know if Microsoft, Sony, or any other 3rd party site even compiles community achievement stats like Steam does.

That actually doesn't mean anything.

I don't think they do.

Would be intresting to see it though.


I know.

But just look what he said 'WHAT THE [censored] are you talking about you just cant fing accept that there is Clear evidence in this thread that NCR is better. where do you get your stats please tell me i would like to know this' responding to what I said 'Also would imply that most of the Steam Community either cheated or quite playing the game, before they finished it.'

I like some of these pro-legion arguments...

"The Legion brings peace!"

So does Cold War-era Communism... by violently killing anybody who says/does anything that the ruling party says is wrong. Yeah, the Mojave is peaceful after the Legion takes it over... but that's because all the women and most of the men are slaves, and any children are inducted into the legion, and anyone who takes up arms over it gets killed.

The Legion is what we would recognize as Facism taken to 11. It is brutal to anyone with a dissenting opinion, and somewhat less brutal to everyone else. It offers peace at the expense of anything resembling freedom for most of their citizens; only people who are truly "free" are the guys who are ruling over the others.

Why are people not getting this?

FALSE! Caesar spares the FotA because he KNOWS them, Lanius would have done the same if he grew up with them. As I explained in an earlier post; Caesar only kills people he doesn't know. If he would have grown up with the BoS he wouldn't have the Courier exterminate them.
Caesar isn't compassionate; he's a coward

Epic that was less than 30 percent. of players that actually did the final quest. So they either cheated and glitched or they didnt finish :facepalm:

can we stop the whole thing with the percentages that is completely irrelevant?

FALSE! He spares the FotA because of a strange respect for them. Dont jump to the conclusion that it was because he grew up with em

Eh.

The whole going around in circles about 'NCR being corrupt' and 'Legion enslaving people' is getting moderatly old.

There is still a lot of hatred for our people, we did try to *ahem* posion the whole world. The Followers still remove him, dispite them not really being affilated with the NCR, I don't really see how you can hold this against the NCR really, a squad of Enclave troopers reappear after 30 years and start tearing [censored] up better than all of them, the Enclave are still bad guys who really should be brought to justice, Arcade appeared to be was one of them.



I believe the exact wording is "Out of a strange RESPECT", the Followers aren't a threat to anyone, the Brotherhood are and would most likely prove a major thorn in Caesar's side, particularly if the Legion took Helios.

respect for what? certainly not respect for their ideals or moral standards. Caesar knows the FotA, if he didn't grow up with them he would have killed them all.