The reason Caesars Legion is so Violent is because they are based on the Roman Legions who had a habit of going around conquering, enslaving, and crucifying and just like the real Legion they won't settle down until they capture New Vegas (Rome) Caesar even explains this. And if NCR is so good and freedom loving then why do they imprison Arcade just for having Enclave armor even though he helped NCR. Also NCR is just as bad when it comes to sending recruits in first but unlike the Legion the NCR basically says "here take this service rifle and plastic armor which won't protect you really but it looks good. Now get out there and try not to get killed because we need to win the dam to keep our offices...erm i mean to keep the NCR safe yeah thats it". The NCR and Legion both want to add the Mojave and Vegas to their empires but at least the Legion is honest about it.

I don't agree with the Legion's sixism but i bet a future Caesar will sort that out or may be only members of the 1st 12 tribes are actually citizens and the rest are going to be enslaved or conscriped.

It still says he respects them regardless and allows them safe passage, he doesn't know them [censored], he thinks that they concentrate their effort into foolish goals like learning the backwarsd tribal languages people speak. "Out of a strange respect" it says, for whatever reason, this once, Caesar felt the need to show his former family a little liniency.

hmmm honesty or not getting enslaved hmmmm

Nothing to explain. You would hardly expect the NCR not to hunt down former Enclave members would you?

However you're dodging the point. I wasn't bringing up Arcade's ending to show how terribly he gets treated by the Legion and compare that to how the NCR treats him. I was bringing it up to countermand your point that the Legion doesn't kill anyone (only enslave them how wonderful) or only kill people if they resist. No matter who is in charge of the Legion, Legion troops are clearly depicted as hunting down and slaughtering refugees. That doesn't fit with what you're claiming.

They imprison him not kill him. Second its becaue the Enclave tied to kill everyone on the planet. So they have to have a trial to make sure he's not Enclave. Third, just because they arrest someone means legion is better?

lucius says his tribe was nothing but savages.
he did say that people were enslaved and killed but also says it was for the better because the legion raised them up and made them better.

This debate is getting old now.

LET US DEBATE ABOUT WHAT IS BETTER...

The FIENDS, OR ZEH RAIDAHS

Again, I say: If Caesar didn't know the FotA he would have killed them all, therefore he is a coward

No it just shows that the NCR can be just as judgmental as the Legion

well that's obvious: the fiends' leader has a chainsaw, if you have a chainsaw you are above everything else and deserve to rule over Vegas

He didn't slaughter the one of a few factions in the game unnecessarily? What a [censored] coward!

No, but the raiders have the leather suits..

they win sir. :confused:

If he would have slaughtered the Followers I wouldn't have any higher opinion of him, but I wouldn't think he's a coward.

How does that make him a coward? So for once he showed some beneovence to something else. A little hypocritical and bias but a coward? Do explain.



The Enclave tried to kill everyone in the world! Even I think the NCR are justified in their desire to round up all the surviving SS Enclave citizens; then again I think the Enclave was justified...

CHAINSAW CUTS THRU LEATHER RING-RING-RING-RING-RING

The fiends have weird helmets and the Raiders have rabies. The Fiends win.

well I suppose that's a better description of how I think of Caesar

NCR "I am going to have to arrest you and we will have a trial"

Legion "crucify him"

Yeah they are two peas in the same pod :rolleyes:

My personal Enclave bias aside Arcade was a Follower and they didn't even give him a trial they just imprisoned him indefinitely and didn't even thank him for bringing the Remnants to aid in the battle for Hoover Dam.

There was no mention of a trial just imprisoned indefinitely

I do believe that being arrested/imprisonment comes before a trail. Second just because he's a follower now does not mean that makes up for the past.

This would be so much easier if I coud make real world comparisons but rules are rules.

But he didn't do anything in the past they judged him because he came from the Enclave even though he had been raised in the Followers for most of his life.

I honestly have a feeling the NCR just does a trial for trials sake, I mean, I feel they expect to vote the person guilty. Arcade is an example of this. When he was an 'Enclave Citizen' he was like what, 2 or something? So it isn't like he did or believed in the Enclave. Plus, Arcade is a member of the Followers, they are the antithesis of what the Enclave were in functionality. Like I said, I just think the NCR pre-deternine the verdict and hold trials for the appearance of democracies.

How is NCR to Know that without a trial? They can't just take his word for it. Second this is going off topic. NCR is the right to hunt down the Enclave. At least they arrest them. Legion justice is two things. Enslavement or Death. How they deal with Enclave and one man is a moot point next to how Legion deal with thousands of people in the same brutal way.

Thread at an end, continue http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1161505-legion-or-ncr-debate-6/.

The Fiends as you can actually interact with them.