4. An 'alliance' with the Great Kahns with the intention of enslaving or killing most of them after the Second Battle of Hoover Dam
5. A complot with the Omertas to kill everyone on The Strip
6. Using children in battle
7. Raiding merchants (not mentioned anywhere in the game, though I've often seen it happening)
8. Crucify people

Really ? My characters usually wlk out of nipton with his clothes... I always find and loot him.

No the mafia's idea of protection was protection from the mafia. The NCR actually attempts to protect its citizens and police and administer it's territory and has the insane and tyrannical idea of taxing citizens to pay for these services.



What does this have to do with anything? Once again I'll reiterate no one is defending the NCR as a morally perfect or benevolent force. It is a corrupt government that often does outright awful and evil things in its pursuit of selfish aims (although I suspect few people shed any tears over what happened to Vault City). Compared to the Legion however the NCR comes off like a bunch of saints.



Or to put it another way the NCR actually has some slight respect for people's rights and will often try to use methods other than military conquest to expand their territory. How insidious of them.



Leaving them with nothing? That would be the stupidest taxation scheme of all time. All the thriving communities in California would say otherwise even if simple logic didn't. Apparently NCR taxes aren't all that crippling. Also did you say Freeside? Guess what the one faction is that will let Freeside stay independent while still helping feed the people. Amazingly enough it's the horridly tyrannical, supposedly doesn't care about whether people want to join or not NCR. Who'd have imagined it?





I'm not biased. They're fictional factions in a computer game. I just don't see any reason at all to consider a faction of r@ping, murdering slavers out to return everyone to barbarism better for the Mojave than a highly flawed yet civilized democratic state.



They're not if you want the post apocalyptic wasteland to stop being a post apocalyptic wasteland at some point. Like what happened in California.

NO ONE can deny that the CL is brutal savages that try to make a good name for themselves. They might as well be called Fiends

Red=Bad.
Blue=[censored]
White=That's war, get over it.

umm hell no they dont crucify people in war anymore. Its just a cheap way to bring down morale

Not another game in California, please.

Brining a army's morale down=War.


Do you not know how Wars are won and fought?

yes i do but thats just wrong and they dont do it anymore. way to bring morale down snipe a officer in front of all of its troops= morale really low. Place IED's on the side of roads and then a person gets blown up driving over one with a hummer.(happening now in iraq).

What's the diffrence between a IED and Crucifying someone?

Please, enlighten me.

Ranger Andy in Novac talks about how his leg got crippled because a kid dropped a grenade by his feet ('They like to use kids, they know that we'll hesitate.')
''Ranger Andy is a retired Ranger living in his bungalow in Novac. He injured his entire body, and more specifically his arm and leg, when a child dropped a grenade by his feet while he was clearing a building. He later injured his leg again by falling down the motel stairs in Novac. '' - The Vault Wiki
Killing everyone on The Strip is war? Those are innocent people (and some cannibals) for God's sake.

How does ones method of war decide who's better for Running the Mojave? Legion would plant bombs if they have the resources. Legion crusify people as a form of punishment and just as a means to freak out the enemy. NCR treats its POWs like humans.

When does the Legion kill everyone in The Strip?

Even Lanius doesn't kill everyone.

And nowhere does it say that the kid was part of the Legion.

For one crucifying is just sick and demented plus you would have to put it where everyone could see it. also a person could probably survive a crucify. you wont or rarely will survive a IED.
Just think boom the car in front of you explodes your like WTF and you are just distraught and scared maybe it can happen to you or not. Crucifying= you have to get captured. There are better methods than crucifying.

Actually, alot of people survive IED attacks; most IED attacks end with 10-20 people dead, and 50+ wounded. Also, if you spend more than a day on a Cross it's almost assured that you'll die when someone let's you down.

And imagine that you're about to attack a enemy posistion and as you're getting into the staging ground, you see all the prisoners from the last attack strapped to Cross's outside of their base.

It's far more frightening than a explosion.

I just talked to Ranger Andy, that kid was a part of the Legion

and if you complete How Little We Know on Cachino's behalf and pass a speech check of 80 he'll tell you that the Omerta's and CL wanted to kill the whole Strip

crucifying sends a far better message to the enemy.
and its messages like these that keeps arizona peaceful

People survive IEDs thanks to todays medical knowledge and the men and women that give aid to the victims. In the Wasteland I doubt NCR has that ability. Let alone the Legion.

One would not attack a base if the fields are mind. (would make them think twice)

Again I ask this question how does this decide who is better for the mojave?

Really?

Happen's quite often, especially since you can't see buired mines.


Better military=Better Protection and Harsher Punishments for Crimes= Lower Crime rates.

umm and when does that happen in war mmmmmm you dont see this ever happen. Once again better ways to bring down morale. still 10-20 people die from a IED thats alot more than crucify plus i was talking about the people that are in the vechile when it explodes not the people around it. imagine seeing your buds limbs spreading all over the place now thats sick and going to scare the [censored] out of you way more than a crucify. Crucify not that much blood laying round. so its just like hes in once peice going into a grave. Why did we make Moterized little rovers to remove IEDS uhhh because its a major threat and no one wants to die from it. Plus in NV the people that are crucified are in and around legion controled areas or where NCR doesnt bother to go. so hows it gonna bring down morale when you cant see it happen

Doesn't seem like it.

So Legion punishing people makes them better to handle the Mojave? No trails, No laws just kill the person that did something "wrong." Not a place many would want to live.

Legion Does not have a better Military then NCR. NCR uses medical treatment. Legion just uses healing powder. Ceasar wishes he had the military power of NCR. He wan't California so he can have the resources to better outfit is legion.

well that must be a hole in the plot :\

Right, because the Geneva Convention doesn't allow it.

There are alot of moments where something like this has been used throughout history with scary results:

1462: Vlad the Impaler...er...Impales almost 10,000 of his own people.

Almost 20,000 of the attacking Turks rout at the sight of this.

Enslaves Much of the population. Unforgiving civilization.