Legion or NCR? #5 : Fallout: New Vegas

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:55 pm

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1158473-legion-or-ncr-debate/
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Last five on-topic posts

Slavery isn't a good thing? The Legion and the Roman empire would disagree. And I do believe the Legion is the greater good compared to the NCR.

What? They live in the Mojave, before NCR came, or they left the NCR to try and make it on their own in the Mojave, then the Legion came.

I can tell some take this way too seriously...

Nevermind this is useless.

Legion does no wrong in your eyes eh?

This shouldn't even be a contest.

Obviously the NCR is much better. Those who trade freedom (NCR) for protection (Legion) deserve neither. Plus the legion outfits look [censored] stupid. they're pretty much wearing dresses.

And sixism is ALWAYS counter-productive. Not to mention slavery isn't really a good thing. If you think the Legion is the "greater good" you must be stupid.

But siding with them can be fun though, especially if your playing as an evil character.

Yeah, the NCR is [censored], and all that.

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:06 am

@Styles

So basically this has nothing to do with whose better for the Wasteland, it's more about 'Which is more like America'?

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:45 pm

No bias there.

The NCR has hardly done more wrong in the Mojave than the Legion.
Lets have a look at how many people of the Mojave have been destroyed by NCR.
Now at Legion.
I'm tired, lazy, and biased. Someone else make the list.

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:17 am

@Styles Right, because that's exactly how Rome operates in present-day.

Common sense: Do not fear it, people.

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:37 pm

@Styles

So basically this has nothing to do with whose better for the Wasteland, it's more about 'Which is more like America'?

No. When someone says Slavery is good. History has often shown its not. six Slave trade is not good thing.

Bill Nye the Nazi Spy. The people in the camps are not there because NCR forced them off their lands. Brahmin Barons are not the NCR government. People left because of taxes thats their own fault. Legon do how ever force people off their lands.

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:44 pm

the legion not only brings protection but is also brings peace and stability.
yes they might have slaves but those slaves get food, water, and protection. think of it this way, their working for it.

refugees may get to roam around freely but they have no protection and little to no food or water.

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:16 pm

@Styles Right, because that's exactly how Rome operates in present-day.

Common sense: Do not fear it, people.

No, thats how it used to, and its gone now. I am not pro-NCR all the time, but the NCR isnt a pit of evil that does evil and looks evil and always evil always.The NCR is much better to its people than the Legion, but the Legion has a more secure, stable society, at the cost of all freedom and happiess of its people.

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:37 pm

the legion not only brings protection but is also brings peace and stability.
yes they might have slaves but those slaves get food, water, and protection. think of it this way, their working for it.

refugees may get to roam around freely but they have no protection and little to no food or water.

NCR also brings Peace and Stability best part no slaver :thumbsup:

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:50 am

No bias there.

The NCR has hardly done more wrong in the Mojave than the Legion.
Lets have a look at how many people of the Mojave have been destroyed by NCR.
Now at Legion.
I'm tired, lazy, and biased. Someone else make the list.

Let's see the NCR's Blunders/Mistakes/Wrong Doing in the Mojave....

1. Bitter Springs.
2. Giving Dangerous and Psycotic Prisoners explosives (Nothing could've gone wrong there, eh?)
3. Trying to replace Caps with the NCR Paper Bills, which is worth less than Caps, therefore screwing people over.
4. Not protecting Trade Caravans and Trade Routes.
5. Allowing the Crimson Caravan to wipe out other Caravans.
6. Forcing people off their land and putting them into Refugee Camps
7. Not even supplying said Refugee Camps.
8. Not being able to take out a couple of drugged up psycopaths that are sitting a half a mile away from their main base.

Let's see the Legion's Blunders/Mistakes/Wrong Doings in the Mojave....
1. 1st battle of the Damn.
2. Nipton
3. Enslaving (Although, in many cases giving people better lives even though they're slaves) people.

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:37 pm

No, thats how it used to, and its gone now. I am not pro-NCR all the time, but the NCR isnt a pit of evil that does evil and looks evil and always evil always.The NCR is much better to its people than the Legion, but the Legion has a more secure, stable society, at the cost of all freedom and happiess of its people.

NCR-supporters: Using their anuses as their main fountain of knowledge since 2010.

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:23 pm

Bill Nye the Nazi Spy. The people in the camps are not there because NCR forced them off their lands. Brahmin Barons are not the NCR government. People left because of taxes thats their own fault. Legon do how ever force people off their lands.

Please elaborate how ridicously high taxes set by the NCR's goverment is somehow the common, poor people's fault?

And you do realize that the Brahmin Baron's basically control the NCR, right?

And you also realize that The Legion doesn't force anyone off their lands, instead they sort of enslave and put them into their army, right?

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:13 pm

NCR-supporters: Using their anuses as their main fountain of knowledge since 2010.

Legion Supporters: BITTER SPRING BITTER SPRINGS BITTER SPRINGS

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:09 pm

No. When someone says Slavery is good. History has often shown its not. six Slave trade is not good thing.

Slavery has benefited the Roman empire the same way it benefits Caesar's Legion. Present-day is not a factor in this.

Brahmin Barons are not the NCR government.
From what I've heard they might as well be.

Legon do how ever force people off their lands.
So does the NCR if they really want it.

NCR also brings Peace and Stability best part no slaver :thumbsup:

Sure is nice.

'Sup Powder Gangers, and hello there Mr. Pshyco Crazed Fiend.
Glad you could join the party, Mr. Jackal.

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:37 am

Yeah, like the slaughter of Searchlight, Nelson, Nipton, Cottonwood Cove...

You realize that all of those places, except Nipton, were military bases, right?

Also, Cottonwood Cove was always in Legion Control...

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:58 am

Legion Supporters: BITTER SPRING BITTER SPRINGS BITTER SPRINGS

If only those innocents at Bitter Springs had the opportunity to debate in this thread.

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:55 am

And you also realize that The Legion doesn't force anyone off their lands, instead they sort of enslave and put them into their army, right?

How enlightened. Lord knows I'd prefer being conscripted as cannon fodder, having my wife taken as a six slave for Legion officers and my children brainwashed into a religious cult over having to leave my home.

» Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:54 am

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1)Program with Powder Gangers Started before the Legion. If they did not show up there would have been alot more guards. It was to be a work release program.

2) They were not trying to replace Caps. They were trying to Replace their own Coins that for a time much of the West used. BoS war ruined the value of Gold so Water Mercants went back to caps

3) Again they are at war so they can't protect every trade path and fight the Legion

4) NCR did not Force anyone off their LANDS!

NCR is a Domocracy and a capitalist one. Government does not control what privet business does like the Van Grafts and Crimson Caravan do. They can only pass laws to stop things.

And you do realize that the Brahmin Baron's basically control the NCR, right?

And you also realize that The Legion doesn't force anyone off their lands, instead they sort of enslave and put them into their army, right?

Its the other way around wih Brahin barons. Legion enslaving your family and forceing you into the army, destroying your tribe is not forcing you off your land?

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:59 pm

1)Program with Powder Gangers Started before the Legion. If they did not show up there would have been alot more guards. It was to be a work release program.

2) They were not trying to replace Caps. They were trying to Replace their own Coins that for a time much of the West used. BoS war ruined the value of Gold so Water Mercants went back to caps

3) Again they are at war so they can't protect every trade path and fight the Legion

4) NCR did not Force anyone off their LANDS!

NCR is a Domocracy and a capitalist one. Government does not control what privet business does like the Van Grafts and Crimson Caravan do. They can only pass laws to stop things.

The Legion seem to be able to protect anyone who needs protecting... Also, ask the Followers if the Legion forced anybody off their land....or anybody who can't afford the taxes.

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:33 pm

1)Program with Powder Gangers Started before the Legion. If they did not show up there would have been alot more guards. It was to be a work release program.
My point exactly.

2) They were not trying to replace Caps. They were trying to Replace their own Coins that for a time much of the West used. BoS war ruined the value of Gold so Water Mercants went back to caps
Yes, they actually are. Talk to the people in Sloan.

3) Again they are at war so they can't protect every trade path and fight the Legion

Really? The Legion doesn't seem to have any problem protecting their Trade Caravans.

4) NCR did not Force anyone off their LANDS!
Yes, actually they did. Talk to just about anyone in the game and they'll refrence it.

NCR is a Democracy and a capitalist one. Government does not control what privet business does like the Van Grafts and Crimson Caravan do. They can only pass laws to stop things.
Which they've failed horribly at, probably because the Van Graffs and Crimson Caravan are 'funding' the NCR's Politicions.

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:58 pm

The Legion seem to be able to protect anyone who needs protecting... Also, ask the Followers if the Legion forced anybody off their land....or anybody who can't afford the taxes.

Cause NCR is not raiding and attacking beyond the Colorado. If they were Legion would have a hard time. Second NCR does not kill anyone they do arrest people hence powder gangers. Legion just kills.

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:22 am

The Legion seem to be able to protect anyone who needs protecting... Also, ask the Followers if the Legion forced anybody off their land....or anybody who can't afford the taxes.

NOT TAXES! How dare the NCR pretend it needs revenue to function. They should devolve to a tributary economy where taxes are extracted in the form of slaves to fuel their war machine and breed loyal Legionnaires. Then they would be a society worthy of support.

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:24 pm

Cause NCR is not raiding and attacking beyond the Colorado. If they were Legion would have a hard time. Second NCR does not kill anyone they doe arrest people hence powder gangers. NCR just kills.

Oh yea.

Because the NCR doesn't summarily execute everyone in Vault 19.

They also, totally, don't send hit squads after you if you have low standing with them.

And yes, the NCR obviously just kills people.

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:51 am

NOT TAXES! How dare the NCR pretend it needs revenue to function. They should devolve to a tributary economy where taxes are extracted in the form of slaves to fuel their war machine and breed loyal Legionnaires. Then they would be a society worthy of support.

Not everything can be a well oiled machine as Caesar's Legion I suppose. A shame.

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:05 pm

Because the NCR doesn't summarily execute everyone in Vault 19.

They don't which shows remarkable restraint.

Spoiler

After the Vault 19 Powder Gang surrendered to the NCR, they were re-incorporated into the correctional system. The NCR did increase their sentences, as they aren't about to take off time for good behavior.

» Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:52 am

They don't which shows remarkable restraint.

Spoiler

After the Vault 19 Powder Gang surrendered to the NCR, they were re-incorporated into the correctional system. The NCR did increase their sentences, as they aren't about to take off time for good behavior.

Oh, sorry.

Was thinking about the Correctional Facility one.

Spoiler

With the Dam firmly in their grasp, the NCR turned its attention towards wresting the Correctional Facility from Powder Ganger hands. The Powder Gangers are no match for the battle-hardened troops of the NCR, and summary execution awaited the Powder Gangers who managed to survive.