Lesser known facts about Skyrim

Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:43 am

I think the easiest way to learn the Lore is by reading it on UESP. Makes life easier, though reading everyones opinions was interesting too. I don't know if UESP is right but I find it interesting.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Main_Page


It was a good topic idea, though. Some people like bulleted lists to get an idea of what they're looking at, but too many people seem to be more concerned about inserting lore not related to TES in to it. There's also http://www.imperial-library.info/ for a lot of the in-game books and such. Maybe the links to those places should just be stickied or something.

Someone should make a beginner's handbook that summarizes events in order from creation to current. That would be neat.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:39 pm

I think you would need to argue dragons are a new type of flying reptilian-creature, since they don't have poison tails. Or alternatively you could recognize there is no single definition for "dragon."

You might as well claim there is no steel in Skyrim because they use a corundum/iron alloy.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:40 am

I think you would need to argue dragons are a new type of flying reptilian-creature, since they don't have poison tails. Or alternatively you could recognize there is no single definition for "dragon."

You might as well claim there is no steel in Skyrim because they use a corundum/iron alloy.


There was a thread a few weeks ago arguing that steel isn't steel because of the corundum, haha.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:36 am

1. Orcs are Elves

2. Dwarves Are Elves

3. Falmer are Elves

4. There are technically no Dragons in this game, Dragons have 4 legs and 2 wings, while Wyverns have 2 legs and 2 wings (Like in Skyrim). Wyverns are a subspecies of dragon which normally has has four limbs. The wyvern has wings instead of arms, much like a bird or a pterosaur and also Wyverns have also been known for their body length, which is unusually longer than a dragon's.

5. Dwemer (Or Dwarves) aren't actually like Dwarves in other games as they are the same height as the other races (Or there about.) They are called Dwarves because of the Giants (Like the ones in Skyrim) found them to be little. They just happened to be the ones the Giants picked for that name. It could have easily been another race that the Giants named that cause compared to them, a lot is of dwarven size.


1. Common Knowledge

2.Common Knowledge

3.Common Knowledge

4. Not so common knowledge to some people

5. Common Knowledge

I think a better title would be called "Facts For Beginners" ^_^
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:17 pm

Since Dragons don't actually exist, you can make anything you want a Dragon, because you just make your own lore. So Skyrim does have Dragons, but only if you use Skyrim lore, which is what you should be using if you're playing Skyrim.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:02 am

But the ones in Skyrim have two wings and two legs.


When you kill the dragon, the wings go away leaving behind the arms the wings are attached to. Therefore, 4 limbs. 2 arms, 2 legs.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:55 am

How do you know dragons have 4 legs?

There was a plague of them in my house the other day.

Y'know what it's like in England. Dragons, castles and fair maidens as far as the eye can see.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:14 am

A mantacore is similar to the Egyptian sphinx. It has the body of a red lion, and a human head with three rows of sharp teeth (like a shark). Other aspects of the creature vary from story to story. It may be horned, winged, or both. The tail is that of either a dragon or a scorpion, and it may shoot poisonous spines to either paralyze or kill its victims. The creature's feet may be those of a dragon, but are most often described as the paws of a lion. Its size ranges from the size of a lion to the size of a horse. It is also mistaken as a bearded man when seen from a distance.

A griffin is a creature with the body of a lion and the head and wings of an eagle. As the lion was traditionally considered the king of the beasts and the eagle was the king of the birds, the griffin was thought to be an especially powerful and majestic creature. The griffin was also thought of as king of the creatures.



Manticore is a different species altogether with its origins in Persia as the word "Manticore" is a native Persian (Farsi) word meaning Man-eater... sigh... Not all creatures look the same or have the same characteristics you know... just as humans exhibit differnt phenomes; eye colour, skin colour, height, weight, etc...
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:54 pm

When you kill the dragon, the wings go away leaving behind the arms the wings are attached to. Therefore, 4 limbs. 2 arms, 2 legs.


That's like saying a http://www.nhc.ed.ac.uk/images/collections/mammals/bats/skeleton.jpg It doesn't really matter, unless you're actually studying bats as a scientist what you call them.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:54 pm

Who said they were imaginary??? lol! Maybe they think YOU'RE imaginary rofl...


LOL this made my day
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:42 pm

There was a thread a few weeks ago arguing that steel isn't steel because of the corundum, haha.


It certainly isn't real-world steel. Obviously in Skyrim steel has a different definition (like corundum/iron alloy). Just like the word dragon in Skyrim has a different, yet similar definition than the word dragon in D&D. The point is you can't rely on non-TES definitions to make TES-facts.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:30 am

Since Dragons don't actually exist, you can make anything you want a Dragon, because you just make your own lore. So Skyrim does have Dragons, but only if you use Skyrim lore, which is what you should be using if you're playing Skyrim.



How do you know dragons don't exist? Just because you don't see one doesn't negate the reality of their existance. They have "existed" from the dawn of man's existance. They are found in EVERY culture's lore in one form or another as do demons and the concept of building pyramids, ziggurats or ancient spired structures. For every "legend" or "myth" that exists, there is a kernal of truth buried quite deep in it. Next you'll be saying that the gods don't exist... It's no wonder with statements like that, that humans are on the bottom of the food chain and will most likely ALWAYS be there.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:20 pm

It certainly isn't real-world steel. Obviously in Skyrim steel has a different definition (like corundum/iron alloy). Just like the word dragon in Skyrim has a different, yet similar definition than the word dragon in D&D. The point is you can't rely on non-TES definitions to make TES-facts.


I agree with you. The same thing happened in the vampire thread, haha.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:52 pm

How do you know dragons don't exist? Just because you don't see one doesn't negate the reality of their existance. They have "existed" from the dawn of man's existance. They are found in EVERY culture's lore in one form or another as do demons and the concept of building pyramids, ziggurats or ancient spired structures. For every "legend" or "myth" that exists, there is a kernal of truth buried quite deep in it. Next you'll be saying that the gods don't exist... It's no wonder with statements like that, that humans are on the bottom of the food chain and will most likely ALWAYS be there.


And the award for Weirdest Post in the Thread goes to... This one.

Which, considering the thread so far, is quite an accomplishment.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:24 pm

And the award for Weirdest Post in the Thread goes to... This one.


Thanks :) just making a logical point. You can't disprove something you can't see or prove it either so it's basically an Ouroboros of a situation.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:46 pm

It was a good topic idea, though. Some people like bulleted lists to get an idea of what they're looking at, but too many people seem to be more concerned about inserting lore not related to TES in to it. There's also http://www.imperial-library.info/ for a lot of the in-game books and such. Maybe the links to those places should just be stickied or something.

Someone should make a beginner's handbook that summarizes events in order from creation to current. That would be neat.


That handbook sounds like a good idea.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:10 pm

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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:28 pm

That handbook sounds like a good idea.



SSSSHHHH.... Behtesda may here you and do just that before the modders do and try to jack you for $150 for that... just saying :shakehead:
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:25 pm

And the award for Weirdest Post in the Thread goes to... This one.

Which, considering the thread so far, is quite an accomplishment.


From an archaeological point of view he's not entirely incorrect, either. It's been a debate about which came first, Egypt or Sumeria, but there's a site in South Africa that's thousands of years older and has hawk-headed deities and sun disks almost identical. There's also alot of gold mines. In the Sumerian creation stories they were created by their gods to mine gold, and they were given society and religion by them. From a practical point of view, the myths could be race memories. Could very well be they were somewhat serious in their myths now that we know it's possible their society and religion did come from a much older mining civilization. Myths really do sometimes have a ring of truth in them.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:45 am

It certainly isn't real-world steel. Obviously in Skyrim steel has a different definition (like corundum/iron alloy). Just like the word dragon in Skyrim has a different, yet similar definition than the word dragon in D&D. The point is you can't rely on non-TES definitions to make TES-facts.


Not to mention that ebony is a wood.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:34 am

From an archaeological point of view he's not entirely incorrect, either. It's been a debate about which came first, Egypt or Sumeria, but there's a site in South Africa that's thousands of years older and has hawk-headed deities and sun disks almost identical. There's also alot of gold mines. In the Sumerian creation stories they were created by their gods to mine gold, and they were given society and religion by them. From a practical point of view, the myths could be race memories. Could very well be they were somewhat serious in their myths now that we know it's possible their society and religion did come from a much older mining civilization. Myths really do sometimes have a ring of truth in them.


LIKE :)
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:23 am

Manticore is a different species altogether with its origins in Persia as the word "Manticore" is a native Persian (Farsi) word meaning Man-eater... sigh... Not all creatures look the same or have the same characteristics you know... just as humans exhibit differnt phenomes; eye colour, skin colour, height, weight, etc...

I know; part of the reason is that many cultures featured the same creature, which gave a large number of varieties. It is understandable for some to confuse the two and I'll admit that mythology (while a huge interest of mine) is far from one of my strengths. Personally, I percieved a Griffon and Manticore as within the same species but just that one can fly and the other cannot due to the fact that they seem very similar and easy to confuse one for the other. Wouldn't they technically be a species of Chimera?
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:22 pm

I know; part of the reason is that many cultures featured the same creature, which gave a large number of varieties. It is understandable for some to confuse the two and I'll admit that mythology (while a huge interest of mine) is far from one of my strengths. Personally, I percieved a Griffon and Manticore as within the same species but just that one can fly and the other cannot due to the fact that they seem very similar and easy to confuse one for the other. Wouldn't they technically be a species of Chimera?


This is interesting enough that we should make a thread in General just for this stuff.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:28 pm

I know; part of the reason is that many cultures featured the same creature, which gave a large number of varieties. It is understandable for some to confuse the two and I'll admit that mythology (while a huge interest of mine) is far from one of my strengths. Personally, I percieved a Griffon and Manticore as within the same species but just that one can fly and the other cannot due to the fact that they seem very similar and easy to confuse one for the other. Wouldn't they technically be a species of Chimera?



You're also forgetting one of the rarest of them - the hippogriff; mate between griffin and horse. They were exceedingly rare due to the fact that griffins ate horses, well, amongst other things as well lol.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:59 am

I know; part of the reason is that many cultures featured the same creature, which gave a large number of varieties. It is understandable for some to confuse the two and I'll admit that mythology (while a huge interest of mine) is far from one of my strengths. Personally, I percieved a Griffon and Manticore as within the same species but just that one can fly and the other cannot due to the fact that they seem very similar and easy to confuse one for the other. Wouldn't they technically be a species of Chimera?



The "Chimera" was the child of Typhon and Echidna. It's siblings were the Lernaean Hydra and Cerberus. But in today's modern world, people have "forgotten" the old ways and therefore call anything with odd bits of this and that a "Chimera." In human and other genetics, the "chimera" is usually formed via 4 parent cells that merge. I won't get into it too much here as this forum as I doubt many people have an understanding of allogeneic hematopoietic cells or in the case of nonidentical twins, blood-vessel anastomoses. :blink:
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