Lesser Race #15 The Good, the Bad, and the Altmer : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:23 am

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» Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:21 am

Just re-posting this for anyone who's interested and for Altmeri discussion purposes.

WARNING: Temporary Altmer Sympathy may be required. Neither the author nor I take any responsibility for any change in belief system that may occur. Viewer discretion is advised.

I was once a Stormcloak supporter believe it or not. It's easy to blindly hate an enemy when you, in tuth, no very little about their history. However, after reading this article I not only understand the Aldmeri culture more(much more) than I did before(I literally knew nothing). But I also went the extra mile and became an outright Thalmor sympathizer. How does one go from hating them to sympathezing? In truth, all one needs is an understanding, the "whole picture".

Now I'm not saying the Thalmor are right in wanting to "unmake mundus". How can we truly know though? The only source that claims the Thalmor wants to unmake the world is from MK. Nowhere in-game is this ever supported. I'm not saying it's an impossibility, it is possible. I'm saying, don't just blindly believe it because MK says so.

I highly recommend you guys read http://theskyrimblog.ning.com/group/lore/forum/topics/altmer-part-1-creation-the-aldmer-and-the-old-ways to get the full complete picture.

For those of you who either already know alot about Aldmer lore, or are impatient and just want to read about the Thalmor than I'll just link you to the http://theskyrimblog.ning.com/group/lore/forum/topics/altmer-part-5-piecing-together-the-thalmor However I strongly urge you to read the full article.

Remember, just because someone is different doesn't mean they are alien and evil. I re-call a time when the Nords commited a genocide on the Falmer. But no one pays attention to that because hey! We can relate to the Nords cuz they are human! Screw the filthy Elves.

Let's not devolve into this line of thinking here. I'm not saying the Thalmor are right. just because I understand and feel their desperation does not mean I agree with all their methods. All I'm saying is: No one is a saint.

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:39 am

Who voted the Khajiit the weakest? And the Bosmer the strongest?

Can you defend yourself, because I have no earthly idea as to why you would.

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:13 am

For all the talk of Akaviri invasion, it seems that we can agree that Tamriel is still more powerful.

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:33 am

Who voted the Khajiit the weakest? And the Bosmer the strongest?

Can you defend yourself, because I have no earthly idea as to why you would.

I am curious as well. The Khajiit are strong, and the Bosmer are among the weakest. I rank them at #2.

I wish they would explain their reasoning so we'd have something new to discuss.

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:43 pm

For all the talk of Akaviri invasion, it seems that we can agree that Tamriel is still more powerful.

Well, it always depends on who is invading. The Septims were not able to conquer Akavir, but the Akaviri were unable to get any foothold in Tamriel

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:02 am

For all the talk of Akaviri invasion, it seems that we can agree that Tamriel is still more powerful.

To play Devil's Advocate: The Akavir do have Tosh Raka.

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:05 pm

Well, it always depends on who is invading. The Septims were not able to conquer Akavir, but the Akaviri were unable to get any foothold in Tamriel

Neither attacked with the full strength of all their races combined. That's why I included the "united" part.

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:08 pm

Neither attacked with the full strength of all their races combined. That's why I included the "united" part.

Eh, good point

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:28 am

To play Devil's Advocate: The Akavir do have Tosh Raka.

This probably shouldn't count, but the Dovakiin currently lives in Tamriel, and he's the ultimate Dragon slayer.

If we're not counting in-game heroes, then I guess the Whiterun guard could handle it.

In all honesty, Tosh Raka could make a huge impact on things, he's one of the most powerful Dragons in history. But I think that the Telvanni wizards could take him. Neloth alone claims that he can take on normal Dragons with ease, and he's not even really all that special when it comes to the power that the Telvanni master wizards can weild. He just has a winning personality.

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:12 pm

This probably shouldn't count, but the Dovakiin currently lives in Tamriel, and he's the ultimate Dragon slayer.

Plus, the Hero of Kvatch and the Nerevanine should still technically be alive. If the Nerevanine could be recalled to Tamriel, it would help. The Hero of Kvatch could also use his entire Realm of Madness to help.

So yeah, I doubt the player characters count

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:10 pm

Plus, the Hero of Kvatch and the Nerevanine should still technically be alive. If the Nerevanine could be recalled to Tamriel, it would help. The Hero of Kvatch could also use his entire Realm of Madness to help.

So yeah, I doubt the player characters count

Yeah, these guys could probably win it on there own. Read my edit, I think the Telvanni are a huge advantage.

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:45 pm

Yeah, these guys could probably win it on there own. Read my edit, I think the Telvanni are a huge advantage.

I am not familiar with the Telvanni, so I cannot say for sure either way.

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:05 pm

I am not familiar with the Telvanni, so I cannot say for sure either way.

The greatest among them is a guy named Divayth Fyr. He can enter/exit Oblivion on will, He is the second oldest mortal in the lore, and is widely acknowledged as the greatest mortal mage in the series. He's also the only NPC to acquire a full set of Daedric equipment minus the helmet (Oblivion Marauders notwithstanding), and hordes enough powerful artifacts to rival the PC. He even allows thieves to try and steal them, they usually don't get far.
He's probably the most popular character in the series.

The rest of the Telvanni are basically a bunch of xenophobic bosses who live in mushrooms and spend all their time unraveling the mysteries of magic. Apparently, the master wizards have no trouble taking on Dragons one-on-one.

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:22 am

The greatest among them is a guy named Divayth Fyr. He can enter/exit Oblivion on will, He is the second oldest mortal in the lore, and is widely acknowledged as the greatest mortal mage in the series. He's also the only NPC to acquire a full set of Daedric equipment minus the helmet (Oblivion Marauders notwithstanding), and hordes enough powerful artifacts to rival the PC. He even allows thieves to try and steal them, they usually don't get far.
He's probably the most popular character in the series.

The rest of the Telvanni are basically a bunch of xenophobic bosses who live in mushrooms and spend all their time unraveling the mysteries of magic. Apparently, the master wizards have no trouble taking on Dragons one-on-one.

The Dovahkiin can take dragons on three-on-one, and is still technically mortal though

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:26 am

The Dovahkiin can take dragons on three-on-one, and is still technically mortal though

I don't count the PCs. They trump just about everything. The Tribunal (technically), Jygalag, and Alduin are a few examples of gods that they completely owned.

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:39 pm

I don't count the PCs. They trump just about everything. The Tribunal (technically), Jygalag, and Alduin are a few examples of gods that they completely owned.

That is a good point I suppose.

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:19 am

I don't count the PCs. They trump just about everything. The Tribunal (technically), Jygalag, and Alduin are a few examples of gods that they completely owned.

Nerevarine- Stops Avatar of Hircine, Kills members of the Tribunal and all the Hands of Almalexia at once(called the deadliest warriors in Tamriel, equipped with divinely enchanted weapons, armor AND even their own bodies are imbued with divine blessings), all the Ash Vampires(essentially divine blessed beings of some power) and Dagoth Ur.

CoC- Umaril(demigod king of the Ayleids), Jyggalag(Most powerful Daedric Prince, albeit he had some help from sheo), Mankar Camoran and Mannimarco. Also cut Mehrunes Dagon's toenails. Went in and out of Oblivion Gates taking on hordes of Daedra single handledly and closing the gates.

Dovahkiin- Killed Dragons, Stopped Alduin. Not sure what else, haven't played Dawnguard or Dragonborn yet. Haven't done a number of vanilla quests either. I assume stopping Harkon isn't all that impressive but Miraak probably is.

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:22 pm

Nerevarine- Stops Avatar of Hircine, Kills members of the Tribunal and all the Hands of Almalexia at once(called the deadliest warriors in Tamriel, equipped with divinely enchanted weapons, armor AND even their own bodies are imbued with divine blessings), all the Ash Vampires(essentially divine blessed beings of some power) and Dagoth Ur.

CoC- Umaril(demigod king of the Ayleids), Jyggalag(Most powerful Daedric Prince, albeit he had some help from sheo), Mankar Camoran and Mannimarco. Also cut Mehrunes Dagon's toenails. Went in and out of Oblivion Gates taking on hordes of Daedra single handledly and closing the gates.

Dovahkiin- Killed Dragons, Stopped Alduin. Not sure what else, haven't played Dawnguard or Dragonborn yet. Haven't done a number of vanilla quests either. I assume stopping Harkon isn't all that impressive but Miraak probably is.

The Dovaliin killed 13 of the most powerful liches in history (the Dragon priests of Skyrim and Solstheim), killed and devoured countless Dragons, killed Alduin (the guy who made Mehrunes Dagon and eats entire kalpas), defeated Harkon, (the greatest of the Vampire Lords, a guy who sacrificed 1000 souls to gain his power), and defeated Miraak, who is arguably the most powerful non PC mortal in the series. Not to mention he fought his way through the Soul Cairn and Apocrypha.

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:32 am

Back.

Also, you should post the links for the previous threads.

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:13 am

Nerevarine- Stops Avatar of Hircine, Kills members of the Tribunal and all the Hands of Almalexia at once(called the deadliest warriors in Tamriel, equipped with divinely enchanted weapons, armor AND even their own bodies are imbued with divine blessings), all the Ash Vampires(essentially divine blessed beings of some power) and Dagoth Ur.

CoC- Umaril(demigod king of the Ayleids), Jyggalag(Most powerful Daedric Prince, albeit he had some help from sheo), Mankar Camoran and Mannimarco. Also cut Mehrunes Dagon's toenails. Went in and out of Oblivion Gates taking on hordes of Daedra single handledly and closing the gates.

Dovahkiin- Killed Dragons, Stopped Alduin. Not sure what else, haven't played Dawnguard or Dragonborn yet. Haven't done a number of vanilla quests either. I assume stopping Harkon isn't all that impressive but Miraak probably is.

The Dovaliin killed 13 of the most powerful liches in history (the Dragon priests of Skyrim and Solstheim), killed and devoured countless Dragons, killed Alduin (the guy who made Mehrunes Dagon and eats entire kalpas), defeated Harkon, (the greatest of the Vampire Lords, a guy who sacrificed 1000 souls to gain his power), and defeated Miraak, who is arguably the most powerful non PC mortal in the series. Not to mention he fought his way through the Soul Cairn and Apocrypha.

This^ These are some badass mofos. Haha

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:49 am

Bosmer and Argonian one of the superiors in the poll? Did I miss something in the last thread or...?

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:20 am

Back.

Also, you should post the links for the previous threads.

I'm afraid I am unable to post links on my current laptop. I have no idea why. You wouldn't nice doing it for me would you?

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:47 am

Bosmer and Argonian one of the superiors in the poll? Did I miss something in the last thread or...?

No, we've come to the conclusion that it's either trolls, or people who don't know about lore.

» Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:13 am

Most of the older threads:
Lesser Race: http://forums.bethso...__fromsearch__1/

Lesser Race 2: http://forums.bethso...__fromsearch__1/

Lesser Race Reloaded: http://forums.bethso...__fromsearch__1/

Lesser Race: The Altmer Strike Back: http://forums.bethso...__fromsearch__1/

Lesser Race: The Continuation of the Sub Gradient: http://forums.bethso...__fromsearch__1/

Lesser Race: The Continuation of the Sub Gradient 2: http://forums.bethso...__fromsearch__1/

Lesser Race: The Continuation of the Sub Gradient 3: http://forums.bethso...__fromsearch__1/

Lesser Race 8: The Continuation of the Sub Gradient 4: http://forums.bethso...__fromsearch__1/

Lesser Race 9: http://forums.bethso...__fromsearch__1/

Lesser Race 10: Continuation of the Sub Gradient 6: http://forums.bethso...__fromsearch__1/
Lesser Race 11: Continuation of the Sub Gradient 7: http://forums.bethso...__fromsearch__1/

There ya go.