Lessons to be learned from the success of The Witcher 2 : V - Skyrim

» Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:00 am

Skyrim launches in 5 1/2 months and you can cut a month off for preparing for a simultaneous worldwide launch. What could they "learn" and implement?

It isn't the end of the TES series tho is it? Plus they are still deciding about script, decapitations and gore level. Not that i consider gore alone to be mature but none the less. Work isn't even nearly finished and Skyrim hasn't gone gold.

» Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:42 am

I don't think a gaming company that has made games out of a franchise now 14 years old, should take any notes from an upstart company that had a lot of people complaining about their first outing before they "enhanced it".

Both games play differently and has their own lore.
I want Skyrim to feel like an Elderscroll game, not change and look to other games for how it should be.

That is like asking Jeremy Soule to take notes from Hans Zimmer, why on earth should he or vice versa?

They both do their own thing.

Witcher 2 is getting over-hyped now, it's NOT the best thing since sliced bread.
It has decent graphics, far from realistic mind you, and it has a great story, but so do many other games as well.

One is a linear game with a fixed character, the other is an open world game with it's own lore.

You can say that this is not a VS thread but it is.
Right in the title "lessons to be learned", why on earth should Elderscroll games take ANY lessons from Witcher? They aren't even remotely alike.
Even if Skyrim would be "darker" it will still not have the same tone.

OP, seriously a prostitution guild? Talk about killing off ANY argument you had to begin with.

I guess a murder guild is "not mature enough", only way something is mature is if it has [censored] and ass, right.
I would say that is more something to appeal to the IMMATURE. Cussing doesn't make something mature either.

It's almost like the level of intelligence dropped when Witcher 2 came out.

This sums up exactly how I feel. Very nice post sir.

» Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:36 am

Lesson 1: Make the DLC free.

» Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:55 am

I don't think a gaming company that has made games out of a franchise now 14 years old, should take any notes from an upstart company that had a lot of people complaining about their first outing before they "enhanced it".

you dont have the mentality to be a game designer. you have to learn from everything around you. i think i remember hearing an interview from todd saying that you can learn from every games and that even sports game were a good place to look at to make RPGs better. if thats your only argument well its a [censored] argument.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:14 pm

They aren't even remotely alike.

Even if Skyrim would be "darker" it will still not have the same tone.

OP, seriously a prostitution guild? Talk about killing off ANY argument you had to begin with.

I guess a murder guild is "not mature enough", only way something is mature is if it has [censored] and ass, right.
I would say that is more something to appeal to the IMMATURE. Cussing doesn't make something mature either.

It's almost like the level of intelligence dropped when Witcher 2 came out.

They are video games. They are alike

They will probably have a similar tone. SIMILAR. Kings and a warring mountainous kingdom. Anyway this is about how the media has reacted to a Video Game in the same decade and same so-called genre as Skyrim.

The prostitution was in Daggerfall and is the oldest profession. Would tie very nicely into the Dark Brotherhood if you ask me. As long as it isn't hammed up it could be cool. I wasn't even think [censored] and ass to be honest.

Musician's do take notes of each other. What are you on about?

Not to mention the oldest company is always replaced by the new. Don't be foolish.

Anyway I love Beth and wasn't saying the game should imitate the Witcher in gameplay at all.

It seems your intelligence level dropped when you read my first post

» Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:27 am

There's an active Witcher thread here OP http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1194418-the-witcher-2-topic-iii/page__pid__17755416__st__20#entry17755416

» Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:07 am

nothing can be learned witcher is witcher and elder scrolls is elder scrolls they do things differently and certainly elder scrolls is done on a larger scale

» Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:47 am

There's an active Witcher thread here OP http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1194418-the-witcher-2-topic-iii/page__pid__17755416__st__20#entry17755416

MY GOD. Dragonborn how many times do i have to point it out to you. THIS THREAD ISN'T REALLY ABOUT THE WITCHER 2

» Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:42 am

I give up, out of this whole group of people like two understood the concept and discussed, man depressing. Laters

» Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:06 am

MY GOD. Dragonborn how many times do i have to point it out to you. THIS THREAD ISN'T REALLY ABOUT THE WITCHER 2

I was linking you there more so just in case you wanted to check it out.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:31 pm

Lesson 1: Make the DLC free.

agreed, but sadly that wont happen. well prob get the $10 dlcs packs (which might be a blessing in some sense cause theyll be able to expand the series in places we havnt visited yet)

» Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:53 am

I have a hard time believing people are so close minded to think that bethesda should not take notes while playing another Excelent RPG even if its different alot of stuff has been well done in that game.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:04 pm

I find it humorous how blindly people defend/bash other games and act like there is nothing to be learned from them.

Did you guys bang your head against the wall when they said the magic system was majorly influenced by Bioshock?

» Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:58 am

I agree on the point about less handholding.
I don't know anything about The Witcher 2, and don't care. But thats not what this thread is about.
Less handholding is a good thing in an RPG. People, at least most RPG people, tend to enjoy the experience of learning for themselves, the feeling of exploration and discovery.
And those wonderful feelings are diminished whenever handholding is present.

If Beth made their game for depth it would be amazing, but it seems more like they try to appeal to the current mass market, which is sad. Its a very good point to make.

» Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:10 am

I'd like the see Skyrime be more dark and gritty as much as the next guy.

But what I really want it to take from The Witcher 2 is the combat difficulty, which in turn would be taking from Demon's Souls. In the review on Wired, the combat of The Witcher 2 is described as being similar to Demon's Soul's, and that game probably has the best medieval combat system I've ever played in a game.

tl;dr: Skyrim's combat should be similar to Demon's Soul's.

Yes
this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbv_mieYAE8
has a light similary with
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmB6GGgcDTM
but I am hoping something better in combat for Skyrim.
The other hand, Ob was not too hard , i am expecting will be in some way hard (Not in the ridiculus form The Witcher is)

Kenji Sempai thx for the info

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:12 pm

MY GOD. Dragonborn how many times do i have to point it out to you. THIS THREAD ISN'T REALLY ABOUT THE WITCHER 2

Your not a moderator. Stop it. You may have started the thread, but you are not in charge of discussion, its not like the moderators will blame you if this thread goes awry.
Yes dragonborn1 is trying to get this thread locked, but the moderators deal with that sort of thing.

I stand by what I said. In my other post. The lesson to be learned is not to rush the game.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:59 pm

Your guy's argument for derailing the topic of this thread, then repeatedly bashing TW2 is because he isn't someone who has the power to punish you for it? :facepalm:

Lessons learned: Make your thread titles only two words in length, because people can't be bothered to read any further, and will simply comment on the first few words.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:05 pm

Lessons learned: Make your thread titles on two words in length, because people can't be bothered to read any further, and will simply comment on the first few words.

Considering Witcher 2 are the last words of the title I find that hard to believe.

@xdeath I'm not trying to do anything, so please don't say things like that.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:42 pm

I don't want Skyrim to be too much grittier than Oblivion. It should stay away from this nonsense of grim dark fantasy that seems to infest rpg gaming today. It's as annoying as moody comic book anti-heroes.

Some of the people on this forum seem obsessed with turning Skyrim into Fallout with Swords, with real world cursing, six flown in your face nearly everywhere, extreme amounts of gore etc.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:26 pm

Considering Witcher 2 are the last words of the title I find that hard to believe.

@xdeath I'm not trying to do anything, so please don't say things like that.

I didn't mean it in a purely literal fashion, I was pointing out that people are reading the title alone and then commenting, w/o reading the OP or even the titles sub-text. I should have realized that I would need to clarify things and never speak in any way but literally merely by reading the responses to this thread; but I'm glad rather than refuting my point you merely pointed out the technically the words The Witcher 2 weren't the first two.

On the threads actual topic: I hope that they take out the needless hand-holding too, or at least give the option to disable tutorials. I think the darker attitude part is a given since it takes place in a Skyrim, as they have stated many times (though I hope there isn't excessive gore/profanity, and that would ruin the atmosphere).

» Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:09 am

Make bigger trees.

That is all.

» Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:05 pm

I have a hard time believing people are so close minded to think that bethesda should not take notes while playing another Excelent RPG even if its different alot of stuff has been well done in that game.

Every good developer looks outwardly at what other studios are doing to continue to bring gaming forward. Im pretty certain that stating tha the devs at Beth are being lazy in any way is certainly the wrong way to bring your point of view forward. That being said, witcher 2 is great, quite a few of us are playing it and enjoying it. Fact of the matter though is that they are doing very different things than we are and can rely on very current hardware. The experiences in both games are very unique and each have their strengths. No reason one cant enjoy both, I know I am

» Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:28 am

:facepalm:

You don't seem to understand. It doesn't matter how much money Bethesda have, they're making an open-world game on some outdated consoles. Both Morrowind and Oblivion were released early in the lifetime of the consoles they were available on, so of course they were going to impress more graphically. Would you rather Skyrim be delayed until 2014 just so it can have slightly better graphics?

The Witcher 2 is a PC exclusive and isn't as open as TES games. Frankly, i'd be shocked and amazed if it didn't look better than Skyrim.

All things considered, Skyrim looks very impressive for a game being released on the same console as it's predecessor, Oblivion.

An open wold game like TES and a linear game like TW2 are comparable for graphics. In a linear game like TW2 you have a limited area. They pack that area with as much as they can and still keep the game running smoothly. But TES doesn't have areas like that, right? Actually, it does. The game wold in TES is divided up into cells. This way, the game only has to handle data from the cell you are currently in and maybe a few adjacent ones. It is not keeping track of the whole world. When all is said and done, they are both handling about the same amount of data. So yes, they are comparable.

» Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:33 am

Every good developer looks outwardly at what other studios are doing to continue to bring gaming forward. Im pretty certain that stating tha the devs at Beth are being lazy in any way is certainly the wrong way to bring your point of view forward. That being said, witcher 2 is great, quite a few of us are playing it and enjoying it. Fact of the matter though is that they are doing very different things than we are and can rely on very current hardware. The experiences in both games are very unique and each have their strengths. No reason one cant enjoy both, I know I am

/thread

» Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:11 am

An open wold game like TES and a linear game like TW2 are comparable for graphics. In a linear game like TW2 you have a limited area. They pack that area with as much as they can and still keep the game running smoothly. But TES doesn't have areas like that, right? Actually, it does. The game wold in TES is divided up into cells. This way, the game only has to handle data from the cell you are currently in and maybe a few adjacent ones. It is not keeping track of the whole world. When all is said and done, they are both handling about the same amount of data. So yes, they are comparable.

Then why isn't the Witcher 2's world open like a TES game? :confused:

If the Witcher 2 looked the way it did and had a completely open world the size of Skyrim, then i'd be impressed and would admit that Skyrim's graphics are unacceptable in comparison. As it stands, I believe Bethesda have done a great job for an open-world game that's still on the same consoles as it's predecessor.