Although i haven't played the game yet (due to a lack of funds) i will definitely be doing so soon, as i'm sure a lot of you will. Anyway what this thread is discussing doesn't actually have much to do with playing the game, it is primarily about the mature attitude and lack of handholding that the press has been mentioning. This has been mentioned in every review i have read and has been met with a massive thumbs up. It's my opinion (i''m not alone) that most companies have gone the other way with this and have been introducing a much more "dumbed down" and censored version of their games. I suppose this is in the hope that it will appeal to as large an audience as possible and not exclude anyone from enjoying their games. However if history teaches us anything it is that when most people are going one way it can often pay to turn around and walk in the other direction. This has payed off big for CD Projekt and another company that we know and love Rockstar.

Rockstar have had this approach since day one and it has payed off massively. In my opinion when you think you idea/game is a little controversial, and as long as it is in good taste, then that is the time to push ahead with the game and reap the media rewards.

I think Bethesda might know this and that is why we have been told we are receiving a darker, grittier version of TES with Skyrim. I just hope the Characters and Story also reflect this maturity. I also hope Beth takes notice because a lot of their ideas and features, especially in older games such as Daggerfall, would lend themselves to this style. Prostitution Guild anyone? Imagine the quests, wicked.

And don't worry about everyone turning around and making more advlt games Beth, most of the others are chicken.

Witcher 2 has nothing on Skyrim

My two cents

Hence there is no lesson to be learned anywhere from Witcher 2.

You can have that two cents back because as stated in the title this IS NOT A VS THREAD.

P.s thanks for coming

"Hence there is no lesson to be learned anywhere from Witcher 2. " If you want six & romance play Witcher 2, Skyrim should be darker then Oblivion from what we understand but don't expect some of the things you see in Witcher 2 to be in Skyrim. There two different games under the category of RPG, that is it.

That's a brilliant and well-reasoned argument you present there, backed up by many reasons that are compelling and logical. Sir, you've convinced me with your rapier wit.

agree with you OP. I hate being spoon-fed a game, do people not enjoy learning their way around themselves and figuring some stuff out on their own?

Witcher 2 is over hyped I think. The combat and world structure are average at best. I won't even get started on the ridiculous potion mechanic. Hopefully Skyrim is nothing like this game.

The writing, at the very least.


I have never heard you say anything positive (not "average" or lukewarm) about any non-Skyrim game. Ever. If only more people on this forum were so faithful in Bethesda.

This will turn into a vs. thread. I can guarantee that. Posting about the Witcher 2 in a Skyrim forum. Bad idea.

I stopped reading right there.

I have no idea why people compare games to games that have not been released yet, yet alone why people compare games that they have not played.

It will be nothing like Witcher 2 and will be a over all better game period, have no worries about that at all.

"This will turn into a vs. thread. I can guarantee that. Posting about the Witcher 2 in a Skyrim forum. Bad idea." by Luke Skyrimmer

Yes for sure it will & already has :biggrin:

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Ha only because your making it so. My god i give up just close the thread Mod it appears my conclusions were wrong and Bethesda does need to aim a bit lower. :sadvaultboy:

Are you people Daft...THIS ISNT A VS WITCHER THREAD. how many times does that need to be repeated.


i agree with the OP, Make your game the way -you- want it independant of your percieved notion of "what sells" and just make the damn game, Rockstar, CD project, Kerberos, Valve are but a few remaining companies that make what -they- want and who ever picks it up picks it up..and nearly -everyone- picks them up, Bethesda use to be like that until they started that Lotr garbage with Oblivion and now Conan with Skyrim.

Predicting "what Sells" is based on a folly, a fad that passes with time, whats awesome today wont be tomorrow and in the case of TES, such is meant to hold over a person minimum of several months, stop trying to be psychic and come up with your own creative juices, not the percieved notion of people who don't know what the *** they want.

This is not a comparison thread Dragonborn. It is put simply a discussion of the media's reaction to The Witcher 2.

Your logic is horribly flawed. You haven't even played The Witcher 2 yet, but you're already comparing that with a game that's not even out yet?

I know it's not a Vs. Thread, I just think you should play TW2 before making a thread like this. Reviews never give you the whole story *Shudders at Dragon Age 2*

I personally hope skyrim isnt as mature themed as TW2, i would like skyrim be more mature than oblivion but nothing to the degree of TW2.

btw i actually would love to play TW2 but my pc sux (hopefully the rumor is true and it comes to console).

Hm, I would say that R* does panhandle to unreceptive demographics though. GTA4, case in point.

I agree that companies shouldn't though, that's what ruined the Mass Effect series.

if Beth worked on making the biggest, deepest game ever, they wouldnt have to placate the unreceptives, they would just make a killing from the depth.

Exactly. People actually crave this and will learn to play the game if there is some challenge presented to them. That is in effect what games are all about. The media can be fickle but does recognise and appreciate this. If they don't they will talk about the advlt or hard nature of the game and this will be picked up by those who like that and will in effect work for you too.

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” - Mahatma Gandhi

not good enough to learn from.

I haven't played the Witcher 2, but the first Witcher game was as far from maturity as an RPG can get. I mean really... six cards...? That's like a 15 year old's definition of maturity. :confused:

Yes, the writing in the Witcher 2 was amazing. I'm serious. And that is ALL from the Witcher 2 I want, except maybe graphics.
The combat is actually quite intuitive when you get the hang of it.
Potion making is fine, its the level up system I find stupid.
The only problem I found with the witcher 2 was that it was to short. The ending chapter has the stench of being rushed. THIS is the lesson to be learned. Don't rush a great game.
My biggest worry is that this might happen with skyrim. Is that it might be rushed and some features might be dumbed down or cut entirely, or be poorly optimized.

This is not a comparison thread TheFriendlyBear. It is put simply a discussion of the media's reaction to the advlt nature of The Witcher 2.
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I have to agree that the combat is a bit clunky but the world is awesome and the potion mechanics are appreciated by many fans and are backed up by lore. The Witcher starts from a series of books you know. i personally think its not over hyped. the world is more interesting that ES to me and the atmosphere even more.

ES shouldnt seek to copy the witcher's world but they should see how to nailed the atmosphere and nail lessons from it because there almost no atmosphere at all in Oblivion. also i would personally like the alchemy system to be similar in skyrim. its perfectly logical that if you drink potions that boost your abilities they have some kind of side effect and you can be intoxicated by taking too much

Sorry Kenji this isn't a discussion about how good TW2 is. It is a Skyrim board after all.

As long as Bethesda doesn't get bought out by Satan (EA) I'm sure they'll produce some good quality games that will have some advlt nature to it. I personally hope that Skyrim is a lot more mature, it's rated "M" for a reason (will be) EXPLORE that rating.