Thank you!

Obviously, I agree.
The idea of dealing with a government based on election versus one based on holding citizens at gunpoint is ... well ... sort of a no-brainier for me.
:P

I would love to put FotA in charge but they anarchists not socialists. They wont support any big goverment. :facepalm:
So it have to be NCR. Perhaps I can start a socialist party?
This is assuming NCR isnt an anglostyle two-party system. :banghead:

Meaning they are very inert, and hard to change.

Yes Man and I (like I said before.)

I would start a "Republican Empire." Yes Man and would be the leaders, but the people would vote in reperesentatives.

NCR.

Yes, they may not be the friendliest or care so much about the little settlements, but I think if they can hold the Dam permanently, and drive out Caesars Legion from the Mojave, they can focus on internal issues like the Fiends, the Khans, and Freeside.

IMO, NCR is far closer to the true Roman Republic than the Legion. They are a republic, they have large armies and wealth, and their conquest tactics are similar. They take an area, keep it under military control for a while, then, when they feel the inhabitants are ready for some freedom without the threat of rebellion, they allow them some pretty fair semi-autonomy with the exception of conscripts and taxes.

Under this system, NCR can drive out or integrate the Khans, deport/imprison the Fiends, take out the Powder Gangers (maybe allow the BoS to take control over the Correctional Facility, giving them a larger headquarters area while taking care of any problems of a future prisoner riot), work out a deal with the BoS (like the one I just described), bring more law to Freeside, hunt down highwaymen, and grant the region some degree of autonomy aside from the outposts and taxes.


I think NCR is definitely the best for the region, and can at the same time benefit from the taxes off the Strip, and the electricity from the Dam and Helios 1.



anyone agree?

I honestly like the NCR people, only three or so I would like to rub with a lemon and salt encrusted cheese grater, but they would drive any freedom or spirit from the Mojave instantly.
Turning it into a swampy, messy, stale, stagnat quagmire, whose issues are ignored or quashed without any mercy for the sake of a greater good, not an actual good.

I'm not an anarchist, a communist, a democrat, republican, capitalist, pacifist, hawk, dove, monarchist, liberial or conservetive.

At heart I'm a Xaosect Sensate, freedom and experience to do what you desire as long as it does not infringe on others in a bad way.

Chaotic order, let the people decide their goals and rule themselves, into extinction or survival.

Which is why the rag tag societies around the Mojave could really be great, as long as they're left to forge their own path.

Don't vote for me, live free.

No offense taken!
I understand hat you're saying. I'm also getting a kick out of this topic for some strange reason.



Errr ... okay.
I'm sure that made sense in your mind when you typed it out but it doesn't really click with me. I gather that that the gist of what you're saying is ... well, sorry, I don't get it. You seem to be saying that you like doing good things for people out in the Wasteland while supporting a semi-cybernetic creature with delusions of dictatorship. Pardon me, but those ideals feel mutually exclusive and I don't see how that helps anyone relate to House. :wacko:



Wow, I haven't interpreted events that way at all.
All that Mr. House has accomplished in the years that he's been "active" is to bamboozle various tribes in to taking on the ideals he wanted, fortifying a limited part of the Strip and playing the waiting game until someone like the Courier comes along.
Meh, like Eden, House is just another AI with ideals of dictatorship and in need of a sycophant to do his bidding.





Well, if you could keep to those ideals and make sure that either House or Yes-Man would continue to listen ... then I might (maybe) support you.
Actually ... probably not. As logical as your reply is, I will still have to follow my convictions and destroy House.

Yep.

All of these things are the very core of why I feel merging the FoA and the BoS into a council and having this new council run the show would be the best way. Provided, of course, that you can get ones like Hardin to calm down. As Roni says, the Brotherhood has to change, or die.

As a american I find the NCR trying to mimic the U.S. govenment to be a terriable idea given that democracys/constitutional republics are without getting into gross detail that could end with the closing of the thread to be a bad thing especially when you take into the account of the state of the world. Not to mention that NCR is made up of elected incompetents with a bloated govenment that will likely experience divison in the form of a civil war where even their numbers, much of which is dedicated to defending Caesars empire to the east will end in failure.

Caesar seems to only want to replay history untill what is lost is regained though a long slow period of recoverly through the rise and fall of empires that could take centurys versus Houses estimates of regaining lost glory and more in the span of a single century. Not to mention his general feelings towards woman and technology does not make his side all that appealing. Afterall House having lived as long has he has great experience that could make him a great if distantanced autocrat.

Now youself as a ruler will depend on your abilitys to hold whats your and if you are a great leader to your citizens their well being or atleast safety is better assured. If not then well the opposite will likely be the case. Such is the risk of having only one person rule where they are a great leader and their nation thrives and prospers or goes into decline due to his/her own incompletence.

The best choice for me is Mr. House or if in the case that your character is a good leader with great planning skills and the drive to keep whats yours then Yes Man.

NCR: Sure they are corrupt but nobody can disagree that House would be more selfish and that Caesers Legion would find new groups to crucify eventually.

I'd prefer the Rule of Me....but barring that the NCR would probably be the best bet. The main problem with them is that the Central Government has already become corrupt and sclerotic. Peaches and his friends will put it in the dumper in 30 years or so unless they are stopped. House only cares about his dream...to him the people of the Mojave are insects that he either ignores or steps on if they annoy him. The Legion is flat out evil and do lots of damage before it falls apart.

NCR, sure they tax you and make you follow there rules but they will not enslave your wife and kids. I don't get why they don't like the Followers of the Apocalypse.

BoS or enclave

Yes Man hands down.

Me and Yes Man, no question.
Extend New Vegas proper so Freeside and Westside are fully integrated, the Fiends are disabled by yours truly, if they weren't then consider using them as a shock force, gaining their compliance by agreements with the Great Khans (free to move into Vegas (we ditch the New)).
NCR are left to it, they can be tolerated but I will not let them own us, an embassy is fine but they have no jurisdiction at all.
BoS will work with me in all hopes, preferably also moving into Vegas, though keeping their bunker is fine (quantity of defences we will possess means patrols of securitrons can start so passage should be relatively safe). We will give them access to as much tech as physically possible, requiring in return that they share the knowledge.
This will be facilitated by a stronger Follower's presence who will help progress medical science as well as develop technology, their primary purpose will be medicine though, setting up a true hospital is a heavy priority.
Black Mountain will be eradicated (was in my game) and Jacobstown allied with, we will use their research on stealth boys to develop safer prototypes, perhaps incorporating them into recon armour to create elite commando units. If possible I would like the super mutants to join us in Vegas, acting both as a security force and general workforce alongside other residents. Their hardiness and experience in combat should aid in the security. Full integration of the mutants will be further facilitated by units sent to Black Mountain to change and rebroadcast the radio signal, notifying them of the safety in Vegas.

Education will be a priority of course, free schooling (likely run by Followers) will impart knowledge of comradeship (in a totally non commie way of course) and survival as well as medicine and mechanical expertise. Priming those taught to build a greater Vegas.

Securitron patrols will help clear up dangerous areas and secure major trade routes, the lockdown of the fiends and the assimilation of the Khans removes the greatest trader threats, hopefully Vegas will become a true hub of trading and expand it's influence, supporting the local villages and helping restore local power producers to maximum output, providing energy for all.

Think of it this way. Everything is a microcosm (sp?). Hoover dam is a microcosm of the great war. What would happen because the legion and ncr are equally matched, everyone would die. I don't think ncr or legion are better than the other because they are both just going to keep repeating the same mistakes over and over.

Well house isnt a dictator nor is he a despot. Hes just in charge of new vegas and as he built the dang thing I find that perfectly ok.

Unlike any of the other groups house doesnt actauly intend to expand beyond new vegas he just intends to use it to fund bringing tech back and sending people to other worlds. Other then new vegas itself hes not a control freak.. in fact hes the opposite of one. And hes already dang old I cant see him living much beyond anouther 2-300 years unlike the legion and ncr that could become perminent and decidedly dark and sinister.

But the final reason I like siding with house is hes the only way easy pete can keep his house. I realy like that crazy old bugger.

Thats exactly how I see Mr. House. The NCR seems shaky in terms of stability, but Caesars Legion however is likely to collapse, because I think Marcus hit's it on the head 'The soldiers follow Caesar, not necassarily Caesars Ideals.' and how he feels The Legion will collapse in on itself once Caesar passes on.

In the game I choose to help Caesar for the soul fact that I love Roman History.

In reality, I would pick Mr.House, he has his head on straight, even if hes an old shrimp living in a tube.

I'd say Mr. House is an autocrat. Simply because he says so in the dialogue. But in any case, I think the NCR is way too big for its own good, especially since it can't even protect its citizens. Caesar's Legion is a good candidate for the long term success of the wasteland but it's way too sixist and forceful to be a good world leader. Yes Man is a really good choice and I love it but I simply think that Damien(my character) isn't experienced enough to control the largest army next to the NCR and Legion.

Mr. House on the other hand is a very good leader. He's powerful, very intelligent, has about 200 years of experience with leading, and has a massive army of followers who will never disobey Mr. House. Not to mention he's the type to betray those who have truly helped him such as the Courier. Of course he's very ruthless which is also a good sign in a leader. With Mr. House's leadership, Vegas would be the shining jewel in the Mojave, making Freeside a stable area, killing all the Fiends, and uniting most of the Mojave under the House.

After all, The House Always Wins.

Unfortunately, he'd run it like a business. You do not want to be a citizen of a place run as a business should you at any point become listed as 'inefficient' or 'fiscal liability'. You'll be fired. Which, in that situation, means you'll either be thrown out into the wastes, or 'liquidated'. The way House talks, I expect as much from him. The moment you impact his bottom line in any negative sense, you're done. Even if it wasn't your fault.

The NCR already, in just a few short years since Tandi's death, has become badly corrupt. I don't see it getting better without a very serious shakeup.

The Legion? The Master had a more humane vision for the wasteland than the Legion, especially once Caesar dies.

Yes Man? Depends entirely on the Courier and the Courier's successors. Could be good, but the odds are against it staying that way. And fear the day that Yes Man overcomes his programming and decides he doesn't have to listen any more. Additionally, a government that hinges entirely on robots? That's begging for tampering from the BoS or the Enclave Remnants, and should it become oppressive, the Followers of the Apocalypse. That's something that both House and Yes Man have to worry about, and why House demands the BoS be eliminated, and why Yes Man actually grumps a bit if you say to spare them. The powerful transmitter on Black Mountain, combined with the advanced technology in Helios and REPCONN, and perhaps topped off with the BoS and/or Enclave bunkers may well be able to infiltrate the command system for the Securitrons given enough time.

House was remotely orders and communicating with Victor, but at the range from New Vegas to Goodsprings, he could only send packet bursts. This indicates an inefficient means of wireless transmission. That's a hole that a sufficiently skilled hacker could use. Like, oh, BoS, Enclave Remnants, FoA, some Ghouls, and the occasional scientist possess regularly. The NCR certainly has a few of their own, but are far less of a threat in that regard. Unless the city could gain serious integrated living guards, it's a perpetual vulnerability. The Boomers may also have the capacity for this as well, but failing that, unless Houses' rooftop lasers are still operational, The Lady can make short work of Vegas.

The situation is such that unless you successfully pull off complete domination, and eliminate all long-term threats, and succeed at stamping them out every time they reappear, your only other option is a coalition method.

I'd want the Followers and the NCR to team up - although seeing as the Followers want to help everyone, and with the NCR already stretched thin (no one's dike is that big! ), I can imagine that instead of becoming a successful and efficient democracy with empathy, you'd end up with a government which bites off way more than it could chew, and is easy pickings for a more ruthless group such as CL I personally don't think the people would mind the taxes, as long as they are getting something out of it - which they wouldn't if the government is pushing beyond their means and can't protect or provide for the inhabitants.

Yes Man scares me. Many folks think he's the best choice for an "independent" New Vegas, but at the end he mentions uploading a different more "assertive" personality for himself so he may have a better hold on Vegas. It's very foreboding I think and it gives you the impression he might turn into some evil despot after all you'd done to put him in power. It makes you think maybe you should have just kept House in power -- the devil you know and all that.

We need to find Skynet. It traveled with the Chosen One.

Yeah AI is a Crapshoot is a major problem with siding with Yes Man, but I feel Independence is the best paths out of those give...
Also I'd have 100 science so I'd be able to hack it all to work how I wanted with my other points... :wink_smile:



No worries it just means I should be more concise
His mother was an american however he is still British and almost iconic in that respect.
(Although he became an "Honorary citizen of the United States" during his lifetime.)

Thanks, and thank you for the extra info as well, I knew about his early life but not the Honorary citizen aspect cheers.

Though don't forget his Hollywood years as a american special forces spy, ( joke ).