Let's talk about Inconfident PeopleSelf-Made Victims

Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:15 pm

"I'm born villain; Don't pretend to be a victim." Marilyn Manson

As I've burned bridges and cut out a lot of dead weight in my life over the past half year, I've found myself more often than not playing the role of "antagonist" in the eyes of so many people, as I've completely thrown my filter and tolerance for nonsense to the side. Where once I would hold my tongue if I saw someone doing/saying something idiotic, such as smoking in front of your children, I now have absolutely no restraint with what I say. If someone carelessly svcks at there job, and its causing issues for me, I will more often than not pull a Tallest and just go through their chain of command until I get the services I came for.

I've discovered whom I'm meant to be in society, and I've tossed aside all the shame I may have once had when it came to being that person... because the fact of the matter is, that person is not only a stronger me, but he is also stronger than many other people.

But in becoming this person, I've also come to a realization that, given all the things I've been through in childhood, somewhat amuses me, but also aggravates me immensely.

That realization being this: Most people are scared, inconfident, and VERY soft.

I see it in public. I see it all over Facebook. I see it on these forums. I see it in many people that I know, or once knew.

And I'm tired of it. I'm tired of reading and hearing people complain about how hard there life is, and how "they just don't belong." I'm tired of living in a society that breeds weakness, because those that have power would rather keep the people they're protecting in some childish mindset that everything should be fair and fine, instead of just telling them to grow up and let the petty things go. I'm tired of seeing all these people spout out a loud of bull when someone is lamenting their personal sorrows, not because they care about that person or that they believe in what they're saying, but because it's what they're trained to do.

I'm sick of seeing people paint themselves victims when they are either the cause of their own problems, or just refuse to open their eyes and realize that their problems aren't nearly as fatal as they are trying to present them as.

Don't get me wrong. The world is cruel, there is no doubt. But there comes a time in a man or woman's life when they have to tell themselves "Pity isn't going to fix my problems: I need to become stronger and fix them myself." And my problem is that that's not happening nearly enough, because everyone is being shoved into this bubble where we're told not to acknowledge our failures, and that we will be compensated for all of our troubles.

The fact of the matter is, no one is going to fix your problems for you, not forever anyways, and neither is constantly reflecting and lamenting on them. The fact of the matter is, being incompetent at something that falls within the domain of your duty is not acceptable, not when you choose to stay that way. The fact of the matter is, if you want to be wanted and valued by people, you have to first learn how to value yourself, and take what YOU want for yourself, by your own means.



TL;DR


So while this does seem to resemble a rant, that's not what I meant for it to be. Furthermore, this may come off as one-sided, but I do see things from multiple perspectives. If I were to write about each one however, this opening post would be big enough to publish into a short novel... so that's why we're going to discuss this.

Let's talk about "Bubble Society", Community Discussion. Are you inconfident? If you are, why? What are you doing to help yourself get past that stage? What -could- you be doing? Are you ashamed of yourself for some reason? (Ever consider that maybe you shouldn't be, but instead just go as far as you can with who you really are?)

Are you confident? How? What have you done to get to this point? How many toes have you stepped on in the process?

Let's keep it civil. No accusations (though criticism is of course to be encouraged,) keep the government out of this, keep religion out of this, and don't make threats to kill any of each other. If you can't behave like someone that would be in a debate, then stay out of this debate. This is not meant to turn into a huge argument, merely a discussion on people and their behaviors.

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Kat Lehmann
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:29 pm

Quite frankly, I find this thread offensive to my glass house feelings and I for one am offended on every level by your lack of political correctness or trigger warnings in this post. This thread is hurting my feelings, however, since I lack confidence, I will not actually debate you over this, I will sit over here and pout and call you a poopy head. :(

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Kim Kay
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:14 am

Well [censored] you.

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Gavin boyce
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:15 pm

It's so much fun being the victim. You can have a me vs the world mentality.

But to be fair, some people just lack skills in everything, but they are unfairly labeled as "inconfident" or an attention seeker.

For example, I am inherently useless. Every job I've ever had, I've been told how horrible I am. If I were to be murdered tomorrow, nothing of value would really be lost, except the fact that some family members put time and money into me. But that's about it. I'm not a contributing member of society. I'm a good for nothing 20 year old bum with no skills.

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Emmanuel Morales
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:13 pm

Ever consider that your boss was just a doo-doo hole maybe? And that you had quite a few of them?

What do you like to do? As a hobby, what do you like to do? List everything.

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Andrew Tarango
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:42 pm

Even my nice bosses, I can sense the disappointment. And a nice person who is disappointed and sighs and says "it's not rocket science, renly" stings far more than a cranky coworker telling me I'm absolutely useless(I'm used to being called bad things so I can sometimes filter it out)

My hobbies are all useless and don't help at all. I like to read books, play video games and...talk. Being an author is out. Even if I could get past subpar fanfic quality, most authors aren't well off and it's more of a side passion. Video game industry is totally out. I want nothing to do with it. Talking won't get me anywhere. If I had a passion that had a good career behind it, I'd go for it. But I'm a boring person with no life. So I'm going to have to pick something random and just go for it and hope I don't svck(which isn't likely).

Jobs like Mcdonald's intimidates me so much just because of the fast paced, high demand environment. If I can't even handle that, a bottom of the barrel job, what makes you think I'd be suitable for anything in life?

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Mari martnez Martinez
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:23 am

The term is "insecure." Or "diffident."

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Chloe Mayo
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:44 am

You have any idea how many people make a living off doing that? If PewDiePie can do it, I'm pretty sure someone like you can do it.

As for feeling disappointment from your bosses: What kind of job are we talking here? If it's a normal retail job, so what if they don't like your work ethics? You're just a statistic for a company at that point. Did these jobs have anything to do with your ambitions? Your purpose to be on this earth?

If they didn't, then why care what people thought of you during that work? If they are, then maybe you just need to do things your own way, instead of trying to live up to someone else standards.

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Josh Sabatini
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:59 pm

I enjoy helping whiny, insecure people improve themselves. I have sympathy for them.

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Alex Vincent
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:27 pm

^ This is how we don't get threads locked.

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Zosia Cetnar
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:52 pm

I'm sorry.

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dell
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:44 pm

A major cause of people's problems is a lack of confidence, IMO. Personally, I avoid this by being supremely self-confident (the talents I was born with have contributed nicely). Confidence makes for a willingness to tackle issues and a belief in one's ability to do so (which also leads to less stress). If something's screwing with me, I don't really care who caused it (though I will rant my ass off at them), I do everything I can to solve it. Even if I AM the victim, it's my problem now, so there's no point waiting for someone else to fix it.

How did I become confident? I would honestly say I was born with it--with the start of it. By the time I was nine, I knew I could intellectually outperform my peers with ease (this was when I started going to a gifted school, and excelling even there). At age twelve, I also gained confidence in my leadership abilities by successfully leading a guild for a while in an MMO. At age fourteen, I became aware that my capabilities are measured by a test, IQ (knowing that you're "smarter" [IQ isn't everything, hence quotes] than 1,999 out of 2,000 is a huge confidence booster). And throughout high school, I've watched my peers struggling with things I achieve with ease, and my head is now the size of the moon.

I also specifically aim to be confident because insecure people piss me the hell off and have caused a few problems (which I dealt with personally). In my freshman year of high school (and still now, but to a lesser extent) I got shunned by those who are insecure about their intelligence because of my high scores therein, so I resolved never to be insecure.

Also, my incessant planning-for-the-future leaves me to realize I probably have one hell of a good one (software engineering, which I enjoy and will most likely excel at, is a fantastic career). A near-guarantee of a good future is an amazing confidence booster (Especially when an entry-level job in said career makes as much as both of my parents together).

People's toes I've stepped on? Other than insulting people inadvertently (probably just happened with this post, because of the IQ statistic), none really. Being confident in one's intelligence takes nothing more than a test or two and some solid achievements.

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Veronica Flores
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:49 pm

Yeah...I like to be realistic, sorry. The odds of someone being internet famous as pewdiepie is slim with all the amount of people who try to be internet personalities. I'm sure I could be just as good as pewdiepie, but I'm not going to catch on just because I have a chipper attitude about life.

It's not my work ethic, I have very good work ethic. I am the type to skip out on breaks and keep on working. I don't skip out on work and I can be trusted by myself. And no, they didn't. They were just random jobs meant to help me get closer to my dreams and my dream job. One job brought me very close to suicide and the other one got me laid off eventually.

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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:32 pm

A good work ethic will get you farther than nearly any talent--because most can be learned, given enough effort.

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Rachel Briere
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:39 pm

I'm quite happy/confident in my life. I have my issues, but those are ones that can not be fixed at the time being(a spine that has been crushed in 3 spots, and I've seen countless doctors who told me that the only procedures are stop-gap and will actually accelerate the time I have left to actually walk on my own, so I chose massive pain and mobility over less pain and no mobility).

I wasn't always the way I am, I was stomped on countless times in childhood and teen years, until I finally got fed up with it in my Senior year, beat the living piss out of a guy that was messing with me, threw a chair at a teacher who accused me of skipping school to dye my hair blond(yes, I dyed my hair blond, no I didn't skip school, I missed school because I had a 24 hour flu bug and was barfing my guts up), and then threatened to smash another guy with a chair when he tried to jump me as I walked into the classroom. After that, people left me the hell alone and/or gave me a bit more respect. Since then I have no problem speaking my mind when it's necessary, but I do not overly antagonize people just because they mess up, I know people are not perfect and may make mistakes, as long as they are actively trying to fix the problem I will continue to be kind and patient, it's when they stop caring that I become a dike and make them do what the hell they are supposed to do.

I am perfectly confident in myself and my knowledge and abilities. That's not to say I believe that I am perfect, I know I make mistakes all the time, but I don't beat myself up over them, and I don't let them stop me from continuing to be confident when I attempt the same thing another time.
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willow
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:06 pm

Work ethic means very little if you are just not up to snuff. If you are super talented, people will let you get away with more because you are such a vital asset to the team. I've worked with such people before. She could literally do anything and say anything because she was the alpha female.

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bonita mathews
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:00 pm

I'm not saying you'll ever be as famous as PewDiePie. You have to be a talentless tool with no dignity to do that. But if you put out good content, and find an audience, even if small, it could be the first step toward something greater.

And there you go. Random jobs are just there to get you some food money. You're not supposed to be a master at them, because quite frankly, they svck. Anyone that is passionate and devoted to that kind of work is either seeing dollar signs when they open their eyes, or need to raise their ambitions.

While I'm confident that I could do great at that kind of work, I'm also confident that the people I work for would likely not be confident, as they are more often than not corporate machines, or have their own expectations of things that can, in fact, be unrealistic.

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Jay Baby
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:30 pm

But you can become up to snuff with a good work ethic, no?

And just because you might not be the alpha doesn't mean you can't do OK.

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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:43 am

But I want to be passionate about my work and do good at it, even if it's not my dream job. I am very prideful of my work. At my bakery job, I took pride in the mixer machine I was given to clean at the end of the day because it was time consuming and no one else wanted to do it, so they let the FNG do it. Eventually no one touched it when I worked because it was MINE. I became one with that thing. I don't like halfassing a job, it's not my nature. But despite that hardcoe dedication to menial tasks such as dishwashing and machine cleaning, I just have no smarts. I can't be trusted to put two and two together and I am blind to any mistakes I could be making. I can't do simple things like neatly shoving bread into a bag.

The way I see it, it's other people that work my job anyways with the amount of oversight I need. But that's not being a valued worker. A valued worker is one who can carry their own weight by themselves. I have too many "I don't knows" and when people ask me something, I send them off to someone else. So that places me at the bottom of the food chain. I suppose not everyone is cut out to be apex. But is it really my fault? Can't a person just legitimately svck and have no place in the advlt world?

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Chenae Butler
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:27 pm

I'm not implying it's your fault, you're born with or without certain skills. But... not capitalizing on the talents you do have (work ethic is rare) IS.

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Laura Samson
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:42 pm

Your TL;DR section needs it's own TL;DR section.

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I agree with most of what you're saying, but I feel as if your alpha tone is getting in the way of your true sentiment.

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Nitol Ahmed
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:05 am

Wow. It reads like a bad self-help book in here.
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Bones47
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:36 pm

My Alpha tone is what I am. If I restrained it, I would be a hypocrite, since the whole point of this thread is to tell people to stop shaming themselves and letting themselves feel shamed for being who they are.

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Cagla Cali
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:57 am

That is definitely not how your opening post reads to people. Just putting that out there.
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Amanda Furtado
 
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Post » Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:25 pm


No. That's a cop out.
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