Anyone know what happen to the Champion of Cyrodiil or the Nevevarine?

Alduin throws a very exclusive dragon party that coincidentally burns down the world and everyone not invited.

Arngeir did say there could be more than 1 dovahkiin at once although you are the only one that has been recognized. So if you were to be killed hopefully another one would show up. Hopefully. Or the world would be eaten.

*spoiler*


When you defeat Alduin you don't absorb his soul, so for all we know we are just delaying his return.

For all we know...

became Alduin.

omg... massive spoiler fail on that one.

Apologies.

Champion of Cyrodill is :

Nils, Cook of Candlehearth Hall, defeats Alduin in the Dovahkiin's absence.

Wait i thought it was the Main Character you played with? Sheogorath?

Akatosh appoints/anoints the Dragonborn. Akatosh is the God of Time. Akatosh isn't going to anoint someone as Dragonborn if it's simply their fate to die at some chopping-block.

Dragon... God... Of... Time.

Let that sink in for a sec.

Akatosh knows the beginning and end of the kalpa, and all in between. Perhaps things beyond.

That's his job.

The Dragonborn emerges, because Akatosh wills it so. If some axeman somehow manages to foil Akatosh and lop off the head of his Dovakhiin, Akatosh could simply rewind time and anoint another, somewhere else, altering circumstances to fit the emergence. As many times as necessary, and mortalfolk would never know the difference.

Remember, we're talking about a God of Time. Who comprehends ALL of time, all at once.

Go look it up on UESP?

Don't want to muck up the place with spoilers, my apologies.

*EDIT*

Or play Oblivion alternately, which is probably the better option.

Basically, it's what UnclePain said. Akatosh wouldn't have made the player Dragonborn if the player was simply going to die at Helgen. He knows everything within all of time and controls it. Akatosh is so powerful that he may very well be the consciousness of the godhead within its own dream.

What happens if a kalpa doesn't end, though?

Akatosh would have to come himself AGAIN to drag his brat back home...

Then if another dragonborn didn't come along Alduin would nom on the world.

I think the power would just transfer to someone else if the gods will it. It is a divine gift after all.
There is a prophecy and if you died at Helgen then you can't really have been the one. At Helgen there was not yet any sign that you were the Dragonborn anyway.

well, only those chosen by the gods can have a dragon soul placed in them (or any kind of not human soul for that matter), so i would think the gods would choose another person being born, hopefully they will grow up fast enough to fight alduin

edit: and akatosh does not know the fate of all things, the heros' fates are unknown even to the gods and very changeable

Then sheogorath would become dragonborn and turn alduin into a sweetroll and then cheese for everyone!

If The Prisoner died at the headman's block, the enantiomorphic Hadvar-Ralof would have mantled the [Player] anyways. As Hasphat says, The Hero is just a product of social and historic forces. If one doesn't end up doing it, someone else would.

Vague titles that end up swallowing the true identities
Eternal Champion
Agent
Nerevarine
Hero of Kvatch
Messenger from Riverwood [edit. or maybe The Survivor. Yea. That one.]

Came to post this. You're Dovahkiin. If you died at Helgen, you wouldn't be Dovahkiin anymore, and someone else would be Dovahkiin.

We wouldn't have a game.

That's true. It's a point Bethesda has repeatedly tried to make. Only those who have true control over their own fate can use the Birthstones.

"Thief stone huh?"

The irony of it all. I think Akatosh saw it beforehand that Alduin himself is saving the Dragonborn from execution without knowing it. If Akatosh didn't know, it would've been a little too close call. I think Akatosh just effing around with Alduin on this one, provided that Alduin later realizes he actually saves his worst enemy to come.

Had the main character died, had someone else become Dragonborn at Akatosh's will, I don't know. I bet this would've happened.

Oh, btw, Akatosh is Alduin. Discuss.

Can the god of time be his own father?

If the Mad God can be his own successor, I don't see why not.

We know that the Elder Scrolls don't know the future of heroes, but shouldn't the god of time? Akatosh transcends time. It isn't a thing to him. Even a hero's fate shouldn't be outside of his knowledge, even if it is outside the knowledge of the other gods. It wasn't the gods' decision to give the player a dragon's soul rather than a normal human soul - it was Akatosh's alone. That's his thing to do. At Helgen, you were already Dragonborn. You've been dragonborn your whole life. It would be very odd if the master of all time didn't know beforehand that you would survive Helgen, and just sort of took a chance on it.

Speaking of hero status, who decides that? Akatosh? The godhead? Is Akatosh the godhead? Everyone is bound by fate with the exception of heros, so that seems like some kind of power that needs to be bestowed by something.

The way I see it is that the curse that the princes put on Jyggalag was actually a whole new entity. It imposes Sheogorath on whomever holds the curse. A separate entity that possesses a vessel. When you free Jyggalag, you take the curse yourself, and are slowly possesed by Sheo. You separate Sheo and Jyg, and Sheo attaches himself to you. You exorcise Jyg, and Sheo jumps right into you.

I do wonder how Sheogorath managed to put the smack down on Akatosh though.