Let the People Drink conflict with load order? : IV

» Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:08 am

Hi,

This is odd. I have never had any trouble with LTPD on previous Oblivion installs. This is the freshest, least modded, and most stable install I have ever had. So far i'm 99% CTD-free in about 15 hours.

Upon adding LTPD and activating the .esp I crash every time I try to load a save-game. The thing is, I put LetthePeopleDrink.esp last in the load order, behind the bashed patch and behind Streamline.esp and it worked! Of course, the landscape was completely messed up and I ended up falling into the ground in Better Cities immediately upon getting in-game... but it's something I suppose.

Very strange to me, this has never happened before and this is the cleanest install I've had which makes absolutely no sense. Here is my load order, including LTPD which I now have removed currently until I can figure this out. Anyone know what's going on?

-J

Load order:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9.5]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm08  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm09  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]0A  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0B  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0C  Artifacts.esm0D  Better Cities Resources.esm0E  BetterMusicSystem.esm0F  bookplacing.esm  [Version 1]10  CURP_Controller.esm11  HorseCombatMaster.esm12  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3]13  DLCShiveringIsles.esp14  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]15  Better Cities .esp16  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp17  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp18  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp19  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1A  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1B  Fran Armor Add-on.esp1C  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp1D  Atmospheric Loading Screens - Random Quotes.esp1E  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]1F  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]20  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]21  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp22  AmbientTownSounds.esp23  MIS Low Wind.esp24  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp25  Side's EAX Control.esp  [Version 1.0]26  WindowLightingSystem.esp**  Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp27  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp28  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.8]29  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.8]2A  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.3]2B  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.5.3]2C  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]2D  DLCHorseArmor.esp2E  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]2F  DLCOrrery.esp30  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]31  DLCVileLair.esp32  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]33  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp34  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]35  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp**  Armamentium female.esp36  DLCThievesDen.esp37  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]38  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]39  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3A  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp3B  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]3C  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]3D  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp3E  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3F  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]40  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]41  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]42  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]43  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]44  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]45  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]46  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]47  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]48  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]49  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4A  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.39c]4B  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]4C  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]4D  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]**  Fransfemale.esp++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp4E  Artifacts.esp**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]4F  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]50  Scribe Supplies.esp51  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp52  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp53  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]54  DLCFrostcrag.esp55  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]56  Knights.esp57  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp58  SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp  [Version 1.30]59  RTT.esp5A  Mighty Umbra.esp5B  Blood&Mud.esp5C  Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]5D  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp5E  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 7.3]5F  MannimarcoRevisited.esp60  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]61  Shadowcrest_Vineyard_COBL.esp++  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]62  FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_Ruin.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp  [Version 0.9.9]63  FCOM_OMG.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_OMGSRT.esp  [Version 0.9.9]64  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp++  FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp  [Version 0.9.9]65  ElsweyrAnequina.esp66  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]67  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]68  xulTheHeath.esp69  MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp6A  XulEntiusGorge.esp6B  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]6C  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]6D  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]6E  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]6F  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]70  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]71  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]72  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]73  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]74  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]75  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]76  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]77  MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp78  xulPantherRiver.esp79  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]7A  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.2]7B  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.5]7C  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.0.4]7D  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]7E  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]7F  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp80  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]81  West Roads.esp++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]82  Better Cities - House price patch.esp  [Version 1.0]83  Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp84  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp85  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp86  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp87  RealisticLeveling.esp++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp88  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]89  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp8A  BCBravilB&MFULL-Barrowfields patch.esp8B  Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp8C  BCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland patch.esp8D  BCCheydinhalFULLB&M-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp8E  BCSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.esp8F  Better Imperial City.esp90  Better Imperial City - OMG.esp91  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]**  Enhanced Economy - Soulgems.esp  [Version 4.2.2]++  OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp  [Version 1.33]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]92  Bashed Patch, 0.esp93  FormID Finder4.esp94  Streamline 3.1.esp

» Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:01 am

You need patches for UL Imperial Isle and Better Cities, and possibly other mods in your LO, I guess.

» Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:13 am

You need patches for UL Imperial Isle and Better Cities, and possibly other mods in your LO, I guess.

AFAIK, LTPD is supposed to be completely compatible with BBC and UL. I wasn't able to find any patches for LTPD.

» Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:59 am

There are a few patches needed for LTPD actually but it is compatible with BBC so no worries about that. I'll see if I can locate them for you.

edit:compared the patches in my load order and you don't seem to need any of them so it isn't a problem.

» Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:49 am

There are a few patches needed for LTPD actually but it is compatible with BBC so no worries about that. I'll see if I can locate them for you.

edit:compared the patches in my load order and you don't seem to need any of them so it isn't a problem.

Seems someone on the TESNEXUS forums had the same problem a couple days ago http://www.thenexusforums.com/index.php?/topic/225304-let-the-people-drink-problem/page__gopid__2093480#entry2093480 Apparently unresolved however, and a couple recent reports on the LTPD comments at nexus about not being able to get it to work with BBC.

What version of BBC do you use? I'm using the most recent 4.6.1.

» Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:59 am

I use the newest version 4.6.1c and it works perfectly for me so it must be something else. It's also completely compatible with UL unless you're using NRB which you are not so it isn't anything to do with missing patch.

What is this from?
Better Imperial City - OMG.esp

edit: accidently copied the wrong esp in there

» Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:42 pm

I use the newest version 4.6.1c and it works perfectly for me so it must be something else. It's also completely compatible with UL unless you're using NRB which you are not so it isn't anything to do with missing patch.

What is this from?
Better Imperial City - OMG.esp

edit: accidently copied the wrong esp in there

Origin of the Mages Guild patch, it comes with BBC.

» Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:35 pm

Origin of the Mages Guild patch, it comes with BBC.

Yeah. ^^

This is quite odd, my other install was buggy as hell and I had CTD's all the time. Now I get one in a blue moon, but LTPD will crash my save-game.

I have noticed a few oddities, well like two with the way things look. I saw a black border around a sign once and this might have to due with me PYFFI'ing the Oblivion - Meshes.BSA but that would not cause a CTD when enabling LTPD.esp so obviously unrelated.

It appears to work when I disable the BBC plug-ins..

» Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:26 am

How is it that you were able to remove CTD's?

» Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:10 am

Yeah. ^^

This is quite odd, my other install was buggy as hell and I had CTD's all the time. Now I get one in a blue moon, but LTPD will crash my save-game.

I have noticed a few oddities, well like two with the way things look. I saw a black border around a sign once and this might have to due with me PYFFI'ing the Oblivion - Meshes.BSA but that would not cause a CTD when enabling LTPD.esp so obviously unrelated.

It appears to work when I disable the BBC plug-ins..

Have you tried only removing some of the BC ESPs, rather than all of them, in case there is a single specific BC ESP which is having issues?