Lets bake a spell! : V

» Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:47 pm

Im curious to see how Bethesda will handle the spells. I see spells in the Skyrim trailer and I know you can duel cast spells but how will you make them (if you can). The spell making in Oblivion wasn't too bad, though to me it was a bit restrictive. Iv'e never had any love for Morrowind and its graphics. I played a little it but the graphics I couldn't handle. Back to spells! (gatta hurry, bel just rang!) I'm wondering if we can mash together different spells!

» Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:43 am

Spellmaking is currently out but being worked on. Beth doesn't want it to have a "spreadsheety" feel to it. Combining different spells is also something they're working on but haven't gotten to work properly just yet.

» Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:05 pm

Personally, I would prefer spell making to be left out in favour for a ready made, and diverse, collection of spells. Spell combinations would be cool if Beth can get the mechanics just right.

» Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:26 pm

Spellmaking is ~~currently out but being worked on~~ superfluous. ~~Beth~~ Todd doesn't want it to have a "spreadsheety" feel to it. Combining different spells is also something they're working on but haven't gotten ~~to work properly~~ it to be VISCERAL enough just yet.

Fixed. :hehe:

» Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:19 am

Chameleon 100% + Fortify... Erm... WAIT A SECOND! Athletics and Attributes are out! Then how can you fortify your speeeeeeed!?!?!?!?!?

» Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:21 am

Personally, I would prefer spell making to be left out in favour for a ready made, and diverse, collection of spells.

This. Besides, I play my characters without custom spells. They tend to be overpowered and way too cheap to get.

» Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:43 am

We can mash together spells to some degree - In the gameplay trailer, you see a mage stomping the ground, creating a fireblast that shoots out in all directions. It's been confirmed that this is done with fire in one hand and shockwave in the other.

» Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:59 pm

We can mash together spells to some degree - In the gameplay trailer, you see a mage stomping the ground, creating a fireblast that shoots out in all directions. It's been confirmed that this is done with fire in one hand and shockwave in the other.

Where was this confirmed? Also, is 'shockwave' this game's implementation of telekinesis, as I was hoping for something along those lines.

» Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:12 am

We can mash together spells to some degree - In the gameplay trailer, you see a mage stomping the ground, creating a fireblast that shoots out in all directions. It's been confirmed that this is done with fire in one hand and shockwave in the other.

Confirmed? If that is so, then I have missed it completely.

But all spells cannot be combined yet and that is what they are working on.

» Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:46 am

Personally, I would prefer spell making to be left out in favour for a ready made, and diverse, collection of spells. Spell combinations would be cool if Beth can get the mechanics just right.

I strongly disagree. I don't like the idea of everything being premade in a TES game.

» Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:10 pm

I'm pretty sure that was not a spell combo in the tailer, but rather a dragonshout. There is even lore in the UESPwiki stating that some Thu'um spells knock enemies down.

(The fact that spell combining is still only an idea they are tinkering with and might not implement only makes it less likely it would be in the trailer.)

» Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:22 am

I'm pretty sure that was not a spell combo in the tailer, but rather a dragonshout. There is even lore in the UESPwiki stating that some Thu'um spells knock enemies down.

A shout from his(her?) hand? Yeah right.

» Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:18 pm

They are also trying to get rid of spamming spells to increase your skill level. Spell making was easily used to make spells that could have a small duration/magic cost to spam over and over. I'm sure this aspect of spell making is something they'd want to avoid, and may be one of the factors in it's possible removal.

» Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:30 am

I'd love for spell making to be in. In Oblivion they almost got it right. If only i can make spells to make people's things disappear :lol:

If they can't get it right by release time though, might as well save it for the next one.

» Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:15 pm

A shout from his(her?) hand? Yeah right.

I might be wrong about it specifically being a dragonshout, but it most definitely wouldnt be a combo spell if there is a chance that might not be ingame, since the trailer is supposedly gameplay realistic.

Edit: Although one thing I just thought about is that Todd might be half-lying when he says they are only thinking about implementing certain things (for all we know they are going to be ingame, but they want to keep us wondering)

» Sun Jul 04, 2010 7:03 am

Spells of the same type can be combined for a stronger version, see the AOE double-handed fireblast. Some spells of different types cannot be combined yet like frost and fire.

» Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:10 pm

Definitely need spell making.

» Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:48 am

Definitely need spell making.

Why do we definately need spell making exactly? I can understand it being there if they come up with a good system that actually adds something to the game, but including it just for the sake of it strikes me as being just a little bit silly. I would rather see a much more in depth magic system in general, with a wider range of spells, as opposed to the hastily thrown together DIY approach of Oblivion.

But maybe that's just me *shrug*

» Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:34 pm

But maybe that's just me *shrug*

No, I've been saying this all along myself as well.

» Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:38 pm

Why do we definately need spell making exactly? I can understand it being there if they come up with a good system that actually adds something to the game, but including it just for the sake of it strikes me as being just a little bit silly. I would rather see a much more in depth magic system in general, with a wider range of spells, as opposed to the hastily thrown together DIY approach of Oblivion.

But maybe that's just me *shrug*

Customization, and almost endless possobilities, thats why we need it. Dont like it, dont use it.

» Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:55 am

Customization, and almost endless possobilities, thats why we need it. Dont like it, dont use it.

If they could do it without breaking the magic system i'm all for it. Unfortunately, I don't think they can.

» Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:00 pm

I think they are going to end up with a very nice magic system. I think Todd even stated that they will scrap spell making (along with other things like horses and werewolves), if it doesnt meet their expectations and actually add something to the gaming experience. So I'm not really worried about if the quality of the system will be good or not, I'm just going to have to wait and see what did and didnt make the cut.

» Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:46 pm

I really hope spell making is in.

» Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:26 am

If they could do it without breaking the magic system i'm all for it. Unfortunately, I don't think they can.

Then you dont have much faith in Beth.

» Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:15 pm

Customization, and almost endless possobilities, thats why we need it. Dont like it, dont use it.

empty illusion is empty.

Having 'endless possibilities' looks nice on paper, but in practise I'd prefer a range of decent spells shipping with the game. If spell making is in, then great! I'll use it if it's actually worth using, or simply ignore it if it is as shallow, and pointless, as Oblivion's system. Either way is fine with me