Letter to the forum and new users alike.

Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:40 am

I think it will. Don't worry, Stream. like anything, it doesn't happen over night. Or in my case, over the day? :P


Damn Aussies. You and your upside down country, idioms, deadly trees, Bundy, and all around hostility of your wildlife. Seriously, I'm scared of spiders, but yours make me want to cry.

http://www.safecom.org.au/images/lonelyplanet.jpg
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Jessie Butterfield
 
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 5:44 pm

I love what you guys are saying. It's good to know that ther are people here that can be critical without being insulting.



I understand what you are saying, but when I write for an RP, is that also not for myself? I wouldn't be able to post anything that I wasn't happy with.

Maybe i'm wrong about this, but i feel like an RP is kind of like an interactive "choose your own adventure" book. In this case it's not just a story for me, but for everyone else involved. It is a living, breathing story where the characters speak for themselves.
Everything I write is for myself and no one gets to see it until I am truly happy with it. I write for my own enjoyment and do hope that others enjoy it as well but I don't expect everyone to.

Any thoughts?


I... Tentatively agree. There's always a certain amount of attachment an OP will have to his RP. I know when mine died I felt bad afterwards, though that's just me blaming myself as usual. It's more that people lost interest and stopped. I still wonder if that was my fault, but I've come to realize since then that no one was interested in the story, except maybe Francois, Strangelove, and a few others. They just wanted to get to the fight scenes and show off. I think it will always be the OP that should put the most effort into an RP, so in that sense, how can it not be partially for yourself? Like I said earlier, RPs are merely books written by multiple authors, nothing more, nothing less. As such, everyone should be doing it for themselves, while also doing it for others. It's about building relationships with people, examining their writing and learning from it, and for your own enjoyment as well. It's always a learning experience, like any social sort of thing.


Hopefully people actually get something out of this. The Forum needs a serious revamp, and I can only hope this helps.


I hope so. Otherwise the half hour I spent writing that rant would go to waste! :P
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Ruben Bernal
 
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:07 pm

No need to worry, I am currently working on a deep thought piece, that I hope is "red".
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:18 pm

Damn Aussies. You and your upside down country, idioms, deadly trees, Bundy, and all around hostility of your wildlife. Seriously, I'm scared of spiders, but yours make me want to cry.

http://www.safecom.org.au/images/lonelyplanet.jpg


We're a nation founded by criminals! How else are we supposed to act? LOL And the only time we're hostile towards wildlife, is when one of those damn Kangaroos jumps out into the middle of the road, and we can't stop in time or something. Their like our equivalent to a deer jumping into the headlights in America or something :P
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:06 pm

Anything that contributes to good writing rates a thumbs up in my book.

:thumbsup:


And Mad Max, 'twas the dinky dye stuff yer posted.

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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:20 pm

"Yo Taylor, I'm really happy for you, I'll let you finish, but Beyonc? has one of the best videos of all time. One of the best videos of all time!" Kanye West,
Anyways on topic this is really helpfull
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Eve Booker
 
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:27 pm

Its good to see there are still afew shepards of this forum.
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Makenna Nomad
 
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:58 pm

Did this spread over TES side or something? :P
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:21 pm

Did this spread over TES side or something? :P


My I think I'll go check on my pinned topic sense kicked in and I arrived here.
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:44 pm

My I think I'll go check on my pinned topic sense kicked in and I arrived here.


Like Spidey sense, but lame and with no purpose.
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:57 pm

Like Spidey sense, but lame and with no purpose.


Exactly.

Though it reminded me that there might be hope for this forum.

I might return and join an rp or maybe even make one depending on how draining the immortal blood timeline is.
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Laura Wilson
 
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:47 pm

To be honest, our greatest RP'rs leave, because of RP'rs like me (I can be good at times and bad at others). We can't keep up to their standards, I understand that. I understand leaving a Forum, because the stories have no "background". And I apologize... To all our great RP'rs...
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:05 pm

Letters From The Mall is at 7 pages now, and all you people can talk about are Dr. Strangelove and Francois! Hmph! I'm going to my trailer! I expect my jar of assorted red-and-blue M&Ms waiting for my return. :P

No, but in all seriousness, I don't do RPs here, or on any forum, because you've got such a massive influx of people you don't know that you can have any number of downright bad, which is very different from inexperienced, RPers. However, since many people here do choose to RP, I support Stream's post, as it can only seek to benefit our forum RPers here.
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:17 am

I've noticed the drop off on these forums over time aswell, I havent been posting in them since the start but I have certainly been admireing from a distance. Now I don't claim to be anywhere near as good a writer as your Strangeloves, Ambroses, Mad Maxes and Francois but I know a good RP or FF when I see one and I have to say they are getting fewer and farther between. One problem I see every so often are months when almost every RP has virtualy the same theme or story, writing comes with practice but imagination and originality are kind of pre-requisites. I agree with Ambrose and maybe even take it further when I say RPs and FFs are for everyone exept those invloved, you are there to create a story for others and help them enjoy reading your work.

Also a personal plee, WHEN YOU READ A FF LEAVE SOME DAMN FEEDBACK, I have no idea whether my FF is any good or not or if anyone is enjoying it becuase no one is telling me anything apart from one friend who normaly I would value the opinion of above almost anyone else on here but he was involved in the genisis of it so he has a stake in how its going, so for the good of the readers if you read a FF tell the author how they can improve thier work. Thank you.
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:15 am

Forums go through cycles, at the moment they are quiet. It may be be due to a new school year having started and people have discovered other things to do, it may just be that Fallout has been out for a while and some members have moved onto new games and lost their enthusiasm. Members grow up, get older, find other interests in life (yeah, even girl/boyfriends) and writing stories or roleplays get forgotten. It has happened before and will happen again and as long as there are a few 'veterans' around to point the new breed in the right direction then these forums will recover and we will see some good roleplays again.

Having said that, these forums are available to all members and whoever posts on here they should be treated equally. If an RP is posted and it doesn't look as if it is going to be to your taste, or has major flaws I don't expect to see those who have no intention of taking part in it making unnecessary or unhelpful remarks. If it is not your thing just pass on by and let those who want to join do so. If indeed it isn't a good RP then it will soon fall off the bottom of the page and into obscurity.

Fan Fictions can be very good, they can also be pretty crap. If you are going to comment then be helpful, take into account the writers abilities, whether English is their first language and try to judge their educational standard. The only way someone is going to improve their writing is by practice so encouragement is the order of the day but tempered with suitable criticism.

I dont want to see any cross forum bashing with TES. Whilst there are a few who post on both FF forums most only post in one or the other, this is not a "our forum is better than yours :meh: " discussion, they are both excellent in their own styles.
Finally always remember that moderators are here to help, if you feel there is a problem don't try to sort it out yourself as that will normally exacerbate the situation. Let one of us edit/delete or comment, it's the way that works. ;)
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:25 pm

I am so... HAPPY, that you did this Stream, well done. :clap: This whole thread has been a good read and I agree with all of it wholeheartedly, oh and sorry for stealing the spotlight Dracth. :P Anyway, onto my contribution:

I think that every new RP'er has great potential, but they need to be given a chance; and some guidance to get better. Just them writing on their own isn't going to get them far enough to be what most of us really want everyone to be here right? Eh, I don't care, but I am/was getting kind of sick of seeing so many one liners, it was really, really, REALLY starting to tick me off. I left shortly afterwards after family problems and so on, so on...

I haven't 'left' the Forum, per-se, but I'm certainly not on everday am I? *Cough* Anyway, I think if some people volunteered to show some newbies a few little tips and give them a little encouragement it should turn out well. I started to get better with my writing because I made friends with quite a few Veteran RP'ers who I talked to and gave me tips... A couple of those people ended up being quite nice friends and still are to this day, amazing isn't it?

We all share a common goal: We all want to write... True? So, we should act more like friends, I might even go so far as to suggest a thread where we can all chat... Or if not that, at least try and talk to some people through PM's, PM'ing someone over something really random can get you randomly talking and then... *Poof* Your low-grade friends, you start talking more and... See where I'm going with this?

Anyway, nice to see this Thread was put up and I also suggest one more thing...

PIN THIS THREAD!
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:18 am

Well, I'm always open and humble whenever I receive PMs asking for opinions or advice. I've given out a little bit, but as a few members can attest here (Strangelove), I'm almost pestering with my own PMs and questions, asking for advice.
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:40 am

Well, I'm always open and humble whenever I receive PMs asking for opinions or advice. I've given out a little bit, but as a few members can attest here (Strangelove), I'm almost pestering with my own PMs and questions, asking for advice.


No matter how good you may be at something, there is always one thing you've missed or will miss or something to that effect... Humans always learn, I learn new things every time I read a story as well; life is life and what happens, happens. :D
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:42 pm

No matter how good you may be at something, there is always one thing you've missed or will miss or something to that effect... Humans always learn, I learn new things every time I read a story as well; life is life and what happens, happens. :D


You would've learned a few new curse words today had you kept your mic plugged in while I had a game of FIFA. :rolleyes:

But, on a serious note, it's always nice to have that little positive reinforcement. I found that every single story I wrote never got any replies, and the one RP idea I put forward got minimal interest. I hate to act without somewhat of a chance that people will take interest. What's worse, though, is when I know people are posting or telling me I'm doing a good job out of pity or shame.

Hopefully the more stories I write the more people will get used to ruthlessly critiquing me. Like you said about human nature; people don't like to offend, but sometimes the do unintentionally to people who truly do need it.
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:12 am

What I hate is when critics (not mentioning any names) tell you what a horrible story it is, and don't even give any advice.

And I do like it when critics give me a little "you did a good job here", helps me think I should continue the story, so critics out there, try to point out both good and bad.
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 5:38 pm

Well, I'm always open and humble whenever I receive PMs asking for opinions or advice. I've given out a little bit, but as a few members can attest here (Strangelove), I'm almost pestering with my own PMs and questions, asking for advice.


Now, (And the following is meant in no offense. Read all the way through for an explanation, please.) I can, in complete honesty, say that I have NEVER, in all my times on this forum, sent a PM asking someone for advice. (That sentence had a lot less commas when I first imagined it...)

That is a result of two things, both rather personal, but things I will elaborate on nonetheless to avoid confusion on the matter. The first of these two things stems from my immediate family and the way I was raised. It would be, for me, shameful to ask someone for help when I know I'm perfectly capable of doing it myself. True, asking for help is, well, helpful, but for me it brings more of a mortifying embarrassment than anything else. I was also taught, (This by my grandparents.) that it is very disrespectful to start a conversation or especially to ask for help from someone you don't know very well. Obviously, such a relationship would be a hard thing to accomplish over the internet, so to that extent I've never even bothered.

The second reason, (And the more applicable, to be honest.) is that I have a certain disorder. Essentially, this makes me an uber-obsessive perfectionist, and asking for someone's help with my work would be like insulting myself. It's not easy to understand, I know, but that's just the way I am. Combined with the fact that I'm really a very shy person, always afraid of insulting or disrespecting someone, and you have a rather crippling condition.

Anyway, all that aside, I'm almost painfully aware that I often come across as cold and distant to those who don't know me. My rather blunt style of writing, and the harshness of some of my reviews do nothing but support that belief, so it's rather rare that I get messages from people. I have noticed that I've been getting quite a lot recently though. Most likely, in my belief, due to my participation both here and in the pinned thread at the top. I've had to empty my inbox three times in the past month, actually.

But now I'm getting off the point. My original intention was to say that people really do need to talk more. There needs to be more of a sense of community, you know? An off-topic thread is unlikely to be allowed, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't talk to each other. So, in the furtherance of that, if anyone reading this needs aid with something they're writing, or wants to speak of something to me, feel free to PM me. I'd say add me on MSN, but I've heard there's been some trouble with that recently.

In any case, I'm off to sleep now. I'm really tired, and this entire post was written on a sleep deprived brain. (Thus all the parenthesis.) :P
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:50 pm

What I hate is when critics (not mentioning any names) tell you what a horrible story it is, and don't even give any advice.

And I do like it when critics give me a little "you did a good job here", helps me think I should continue the story, so critics out there, try to point out both good and bad.

I understand what you mean. However, I may be a harsh critic at times, but I do give you help. If it's too much just tell me to tone it down.

But generally critics just want to help. Oh, and Zalphon, it is not people like you who make people leave; don't think like that. :)
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:37 pm

A very old lesson gained from the days before PCs even existed as we now know them. I am 48 now and played Dungeons and Dragons. What made those games strong was reliance upon a Dungeon Master to be a strong guiding force, along with a set of well defined rules backing up the DM.

Perhaps what is needed, and maybe this is wishful thinking, is a software change to role playing game forums to give somebody (or more than one chosen person) the ability to be the DM(s) and to do things like vetting posts before they are put into the forum.


This may sound too dictatoral but on the other hand it used to work.

There could be other tricks included like having a random (dice?) element though I am not sure how this could be done. The random elements in DandD (non computer) were very good and one could meet monsters or evil NPCs or even good helpful NPCs. Such ideas can be seen in both Fallout 3 and Oblivion as one goes across the landscapes.

Forums were not really designed to host role playing games.
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:46 am

We need to get to know each other better methinks... For RP's anyway, just to find out what sort of people are writing behind each character...

Actually, I have an idea:

Why don't we add something to our character sheets and say what kind of person we are perhaps? Yes, it sounds weird, annoying, time-consuming and a waste... But it might actually do something, if your quick to anger, it may be good to put that, if your a bubbly person who enjoys talking; you may like to PM and talk to that person. Who knows? I don't, it's just something I thought of randomly this morning.
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Post » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:48 am

A very old lesson gained from the days before PCs even existed as we now know them. I am 48 now and played Dungeons and Dragons. What made those games strong was reliance upon a Dungeon Master to be a strong guiding force, along with a set of well defined rules backing up the DM.

Perhaps what is needed, and maybe this is wishful thinking, is a software change to role playing game forums to give somebody (or more than one chosen person) the ability to be the DM(s) and to do things like vetting posts before they are put into the forum.


This may sound too dictatoral but on the other hand it used to work.

There could be other tricks included like having a random (dice?) element though I am not sure how this could be done. The random elements in DandD (non computer) were very good and one could meet monsters or evil NPCs or even good helpful NPCs. Such ideas can be seen in both Fallout 3 and Oblivion as one goes across the landscapes.

Forums were not really designed to host role playing games.


The random element is very nice and something I always enjoyed. I remember I was doing another forum RP, and this one was completely do or die. You would go back and forth with attacks and you didn't ask for another person's permission to attack them. If you died, that character was off the forum for good. Start from scratch.

Of course, we had a "luck of the draw" aspect to it. I can remember, for example, someone disarmed me and knocked the handgun I was using to the ground and began to slash at me with a knife. He slashed 4 times, each decided by a 1 in 3 chance. He missed all four and I ended up strangling him.

It's stuff like that that can keep an RPer on his toes. I don't know, if I can get the right bunch in the RP who don't mind their chararcter dying and won't be jackasses, I might start an opposing factions one in this format.
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